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Palestinians are predominantly Arab and Sunni Muslims. The conflict is with Israeli Jews which is the largest ethnic group in Israel.

lucideer 5y ago
The conflict is with the Israeli government. The discernment by race/religion is state policy.
- f6v 5y ago
  And Israel is a democracy, right? I think separating people and government of democratic countries is a fallacy.
  - lucideer 5y ago
    The only fallacy here is assuming that "democracy" works that simply and efficiently. Even aside from the fact that Israel is typically rated a "flawed democracy" in most indices due to the lack of press freedom, even it were a so-called "full democracy", no democracy even claims to be representative of constituents in any direct way (even those with relatively broad suffrage like NZ). Their goal is to be a best-of-alternatives approach in contrast to more regressive systems, along with known limitations such as majoritarianism, plutocratic platform access issues, etc. So yes, it's the government. Some subset of the population may agree with them yes, but they are still very separate entities.
    - f6v 5y ago
      Might as well be a very large subset. Just want to point it out.
- rasputnik6502 5y ago
  I think it goes much deeper. You would see hostility and contempt even between children of the two ethnic groups.
- sharken 5y ago
  I'm not sure what this insistence on trying to separate the government from the people in Israel brings to the discussion. By the way Israel has normalized relations with three Arab countries, the last agreement made in 2020. Unfortunately the palistinean peace effort is now close to 20 years, with no real progress there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emirates_normalization_agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_E...
  - cutemonster 5y ago
    About half (?) the voters voted against Netanyahu, and I think even more disagree with taking more land, and that they'd rather want peace and friendliness with the Palestinians instead. So I think it makes sense to separate the Israeli government from ... most of the people.
    - sharken 5y ago
      That makes a lot of sense, let's hope that most of the people can turn Israel towards a lasting peace.
  - lucideer 5y ago
    On top of the sibling's comment on voters, it's also important to consider outside influence & lobbying. The incumbent Israeli establishment's ability to retain power doesn't occur independently of substantial aid from abroad, both pubic[0] and private[1] [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-t... [1] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/charitable-giving https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/charitable-giving

lucideer 5y ago

The conflict is with the Israeli government. The discernment by race/religion is state policy.

f6v 5y ago
And Israel is a democracy, right? I think separating people and government of democratic countries is a fallacy.
- lucideer 5y ago
  The only fallacy here is assuming that "democracy" works that simply and efficiently. Even aside from the fact that Israel is typically rated a "flawed democracy" in most indices due to the lack of press freedom, even it were a so-called "full democracy", no democracy even claims to be representative of constituents in any direct way (even those with relatively broad suffrage like NZ). Their goal is to be a best-of-alternatives approach in contrast to more regressive systems, along with known limitations such as majoritarianism, plutocratic platform access issues, etc. So yes, it's the government. Some subset of the population may agree with them yes, but they are still very separate entities.
  - f6v 5y ago
    Might as well be a very large subset. Just want to point it out.
rasputnik6502 5y ago
I think it goes much deeper. You would see hostility and contempt even between children of the two ethnic groups.
sharken 5y ago
I'm not sure what this insistence on trying to separate the government from the people in Israel brings to the discussion. By the way Israel has normalized relations with three Arab countries, the last agreement made in 2020. Unfortunately the palistinean peace effort is now close to 20 years, with no real progress there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emirates_normalization_agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_E...
- cutemonster 5y ago
  About half (?) the voters voted against Netanyahu, and I think even more disagree with taking more land, and that they'd rather want peace and friendliness with the Palestinians instead. So I think it makes sense to separate the Israeli government from ... most of the people.
  - sharken 5y ago
    That makes a lot of sense, let's hope that most of the people can turn Israel towards a lasting peace.
- lucideer 5y ago
  On top of the sibling's comment on voters, it's also important to consider outside influence & lobbying. The incumbent Israeli establishment's ability to retain power doesn't occur independently of substantial aid from abroad, both pubic[0] and private[1] [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-t... [1] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/charitable-giving https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/charitable-giving