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On a single usb stick we have interactive games and all human knowledge available, I think mars explorers will be just fine.

by neatze 5y ago

codetrotter 5y ago
I think the COVID-19 pandemic has shown a lot of us that actual physical isolation from others can be much more detrimental to our mental well-being than we thought, even for those of us who were already used to being on our own for prolonged periods of time.
- neatze 5y ago
  > I think the COVID-19 pandemic has shown a lot of us that actual physical isolation from others can be much more detrimental to our mental well-being than we thought. Can you site source for this claim, I do not see any detrimental mental health, at least in terms of people are willingness to go back to work from office.
  - yeahr4579 5y ago
    > I do not see any detrimental mental health, at least in terms of people are willingness to go back to work from office. Mind giving me a source for this? I personally feel much worse during the pandemic and most people I know do as well. If your doing better I’m happy for you but not everyone is the same.
  - argvargc 5y ago
    Mental health: 1 in 5 adults developed mental disorders - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/1-in-5-adults-developed-pandemic-related-mental-disorders-analysis/article33417333.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/1-in-5-adu... 1 in 4 young adults suicidal - https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-health/527380-75-percent-of-young-adults-mentally-struggling-with https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-healt... Effects of isolation on elderly - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25697700/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25697700/ https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18590724.sedation-manage-lockdown-distress-may-led-dementia-deaths/ https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18590724.sedation-manage... Effects of isolation on the future health of children - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/205331 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/... https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-UK-Children-In-Lockdown-Coronavirus-Impacts-Snapshot.pdf https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-... Mental illness in children rising due to lockdowns - https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hospitals-see-high-rates-of-mental-illness-in-children-during-pandemic https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hospitals-see-high-rate... Half of young adults showing signs of depression - https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-young-adults-showing-signs-of-depression-amid-pandemic/ https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-... The mental health of students - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55105044 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55105044 Suicidal thoughts greater in those under restrictions and unchanged in those without any - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178120323477 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016517812... Prevalence of depression before and after in the US - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770146 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... Cases of depression in the US have tripled - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/us-cases-of-depression-have-tripled-during-the-covid-19-pandemic https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/us-cases-of-depres... US Census shows 48% of Wa adults have depression - https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp15.html#tables https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp15.html#... Lockdowns pose great threat to mental health - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/covid-poses-greatest-threat-to-mental-health-since-second-world-war https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/covid-poses-... Suicides: https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/ https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-duri... https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot-suicide-crisis-calls-mount-during-covid-19-pandemic-1.5215056 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot... Suicides among black people spiked during lockdowns - https://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-black-suicides-pandemic-20201216-2g46em2d2nd5vjwlu7q2uq5x6y-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-black-suicides-pan... Suicides up sharply in Toronto - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-suicides-on-the-ttc-have-risen-sharply-over-the-last-eight-months/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-suici... Trends in suicide during the pandemic - https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352 Canadians in quarantine twice as likely to have suicidal thoughts - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-mental-health-1.5809865 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-m... Military suicides up 20% - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-27/military-suicides-increase-covid-19-pandemic https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-27/milita... Suicides up among children - https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/cook-childrens-alarming-rise-suicide-patients/ https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/cook-childrens-alarming-...
pmoriarty 5y ago
Not everyone's a gamer, and even those that are get bored with games after a while. There are even fewer readers than gamers, and even those that are get bored with reading after a while. Many people want to go outside and do something every now and then... but on the way to/from Mars there's nowhere to go, and every moment you're in space you know that on the other side of thin shield of metal lies death. Sure, people could still entertain/distract themselves and each other.. and they'll have to. But it won't necessarily be easy to do in the long term.. especially if things start going wrong, if tempers flare up, or if serious incompatibilities are discovered among the crew.
- ericbarrett 5y ago
  > Many people want to go outside and do something every now and then... but on the way to/from Mars there's nowhere to go, and every moment you're in space you know that on the other side of thin shield of metal lies death. Not much changes when you get there, too. I think at best we will have something like McMurdo Station, for researchers on 2-3 year stints. Maybe less, since the round-trip is long and cosmic rays remain a significant health concern even when you are on Mars itself—no appreciable magnetic field and no ozone layer. Even when you're there, excursions will be limited and planned well in advance, probably not much different from spacewalks today. The rest of the time you'll be in a tiny underground bunker. Under current projections, anybody who took a trip to Mars with a ~1 year stay would exceed their lifetime radiation allowance, and would never be able to fly again. (Assuming a solar flare doesn't kill you mid-trip. Unlikely, we think, but possible.) If you're the first astronaut, or even the first dozen, this might be worth it. After that, though...? I'm sure there would be no shortage of volunteers, but we won't just need bodies, we'll need talented scientists at the top of their game who are physically and mentally healthy enough to make the trip in the first place.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    "we'll need talented scientists at the top of their game who are physically and mentally healthy enough to make the trip in the first place." From what I understand, the science can be done better with robots and probes anyway. So I'm not sure scientists are even necessary. But they will need dedicated, motivated, fit, and mentally stable people willing to risk and possibly give up their lives.
hooande 5y ago
They had usb sticks full of data and games in Antartica in 2018, when the one scientist stabbed the other. The negative effects of isolation and lack of communication with a larger society are too complex to be solved with books or games.
CountDrewku 5y ago
People that sit around playing games and using the internet all day are certainly not healthy mentally or physically. There are multiple studies showing this.

On a single usb stick we have interactive games and all human knowledge available, I think mars explorers will be just fine.

by neatze 5y ago

On a single usb stick we have interactive games and all human knowledge available, I think mars explorers will be just fine.

codetrotter 5y ago

I think the COVID-19 pandemic has shown a lot of us that actual physical isolation from others can be much more detrimental to our mental well-being than we thought, even for those of us who were already used to being on our own for prolonged periods of time.

neatze 5y ago
> I think the COVID-19 pandemic has shown a lot of us that actual physical isolation from others can be much more detrimental to our mental well-being than we thought. Can you site source for this claim, I do not see any detrimental mental health, at least in terms of people are willingness to go back to work from office.
- yeahr4579 5y ago
  > I do not see any detrimental mental health, at least in terms of people are willingness to go back to work from office. Mind giving me a source for this? I personally feel much worse during the pandemic and most people I know do as well. If your doing better I’m happy for you but not everyone is the same.
- argvargc 5y ago
  Mental health: 1 in 5 adults developed mental disorders - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/1-in-5-adults-developed-pandemic-related-mental-disorders-analysis/article33417333.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/1-in-5-adu... 1 in 4 young adults suicidal - https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-health/527380-75-percent-of-young-adults-mentally-struggling-with https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-healt... Effects of isolation on elderly - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25697700/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25697700/ https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18590724.sedation-manage-lockdown-distress-may-led-dementia-deaths/ https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18590724.sedation-manage... Effects of isolation on the future health of children - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/205331 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/... https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-UK-Children-In-Lockdown-Coronavirus-Impacts-Snapshot.pdf https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-... Mental illness in children rising due to lockdowns - https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hospitals-see-high-rates-of-mental-illness-in-children-during-pandemic https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hospitals-see-high-rate... Half of young adults showing signs of depression - https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-young-adults-showing-signs-of-depression-amid-pandemic/ https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-... The mental health of students - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55105044 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55105044 Suicidal thoughts greater in those under restrictions and unchanged in those without any - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178120323477 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016517812... Prevalence of depression before and after in the US - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770146 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... Cases of depression in the US have tripled - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/us-cases-of-depression-have-tripled-during-the-covid-19-pandemic https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/us-cases-of-depres... US Census shows 48% of Wa adults have depression - https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp15.html#tables https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp15.html#... Lockdowns pose great threat to mental health - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/covid-poses-greatest-threat-to-mental-health-since-second-world-war https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/covid-poses-... Suicides: https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/ https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-duri... https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot-suicide-crisis-calls-mount-during-covid-19-pandemic-1.5215056 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot... Suicides among black people spiked during lockdowns - https://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-black-suicides-pandemic-20201216-2g46em2d2nd5vjwlu7q2uq5x6y-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-black-suicides-pan... Suicides up sharply in Toronto - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-suicides-on-the-ttc-have-risen-sharply-over-the-last-eight-months/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-suici... Trends in suicide during the pandemic - https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352 Canadians in quarantine twice as likely to have suicidal thoughts - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-mental-health-1.5809865 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-m... Military suicides up 20% - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-27/military-suicides-increase-covid-19-pandemic https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-27/milita... Suicides up among children - https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/cook-childrens-alarming-rise-suicide-patients/ https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/cook-childrens-alarming-...

pmoriarty 5y ago

Not everyone's a gamer, and even those that are get bored with games after a while. There are even fewer readers than gamers, and even those that are get bored with reading after a while. Many people want to go outside and do something every now and then... but on the way to/from Mars there's nowhere to go, and every moment you're in space you know that on the other side of thin shield of metal lies death. Sure, people could still entertain/distract themselves and each other.. and they'll have to. But it won't necessarily be easy to do in the long term.. especially if things start going wrong, if tempers flare up, or if serious incompatibilities are discovered among the crew.

ericbarrett 5y ago
> Many people want to go outside and do something every now and then... but on the way to/from Mars there's nowhere to go, and every moment you're in space you know that on the other side of thin shield of metal lies death. Not much changes when you get there, too. I think at best we will have something like McMurdo Station, for researchers on 2-3 year stints. Maybe less, since the round-trip is long and cosmic rays remain a significant health concern even when you are on Mars itself—no appreciable magnetic field and no ozone layer. Even when you're there, excursions will be limited and planned well in advance, probably not much different from spacewalks today. The rest of the time you'll be in a tiny underground bunker. Under current projections, anybody who took a trip to Mars with a ~1 year stay would exceed their lifetime radiation allowance, and would never be able to fly again. (Assuming a solar flare doesn't kill you mid-trip. Unlikely, we think, but possible.) If you're the first astronaut, or even the first dozen, this might be worth it. After that, though...? I'm sure there would be no shortage of volunteers, but we won't just need bodies, we'll need talented scientists at the top of their game who are physically and mentally healthy enough to make the trip in the first place.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "we'll need talented scientists at the top of their game who are physically and mentally healthy enough to make the trip in the first place." From what I understand, the science can be done better with robots and probes anyway. So I'm not sure scientists are even necessary. But they will need dedicated, motivated, fit, and mentally stable people willing to risk and possibly give up their lives.

hooande 5y ago

They had usb sticks full of data and games in Antartica in 2018, when the one scientist stabbed the other. The negative effects of isolation and lack of communication with a larger society are too complex to be solved with books or games.

CountDrewku 5y ago

People that sit around playing games and using the internet all day are certainly not healthy mentally or physically. There are multiple studies showing this.