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> The other side will tell about terrible oppressors who rain rockets on peaceful cities, engage in acts of terror, and proclaim the need to eradicate the other

> The other side will tell about terrible oppressors who rain rockets on peaceful cities, engage in acts of terror, and proclaim the need to eradicate the other side. They'd also be right. No, they really wouldn't. An occupied people cannot be considered "oppressors"--they are the ones being oppressed. Palestinian casualties over the last few decades are roughly 10x Israeli casualties. Israel is a nuclear-armed state backed by the US government. The Palestinians don't even have a formal military. Trying to put equal blame on the Palestinians is just providing cover for the Israeli's on-going genocide of Palestinians.

joelbluminator 5y ago
The Palestinians are also engaging in attempted genocide of Israelis then if this is how you define genocide.
- ultrastable 5y ago
  no, they're exercising their legal right to armed struggle against a colonial oppressor.
yakubin 5y ago
> Palestinian casualties over the last few decades are roughly 10x Israeli casualties. That's because Israel is better at defending from attacks by Hamas and also prioritizes the defense higher than Hamas. Saying that one side has fewer casualties, implying that they are "the bad ones", is smoke and mirrors.
- makomk 5y ago
  When Hamas shoots missiles at Israel, Israelis have bunkers to hide in. When the Israeli military bombs the Gaza Strip, there are no bunkers for the people there to hide in - Israel has made sure of that by blocking imports of concrete and steel so there is literally no way to build them. Blaming this on Hamas not having prioritized defense higher is the foulest, evillest kind of victim blaming.
  - yakubin 5y ago
    Hamas gets missiles and all sort of weapons, but they can't get steel? Magic. Then they place the missile batteries next to hospitals, schools and mosques. That shows their commitment to ~defending Palestinians~ attacking Israelis. Meanwhile we should blame Israel for building effective missile defense systems...
doix 5y ago
> Trying to put equal blame on the Palestinians is just providing cover for the Israeli's on-going genocide of Palestinians. People really like to throw the word genocide around, but I really can't see how it's applicable here. The population has been steadily growing for many many years now[0]. If you consider this genocide, it must be the least effective genocide in recorded history. Considering the huge imbalance of military power, it seems entirely reasonable that if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could do it. Why waste all this money on targetted air strikes when you could just indiscriminately drop bombs? They say that each Iron Dome counter missle costs ~40k, instead of investing in counter missles, why not just use that to flatten Gazza and the West Bank? There are many statements you can make about Israel and it's treatment of Palestinians, but trying to claim that they are committing genocide seems very disingenuous to me. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-pale...
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joelbluminator 5y ago

The Palestinians are also engaging in attempted genocide of Israelis then if this is how you define genocide.

ultrastable 5y ago
no, they're exercising their legal right to armed struggle against a colonial oppressor.

yakubin 5y ago

> Palestinian casualties over the last few decades are roughly 10x Israeli casualties. That's because Israel is better at defending from attacks by Hamas and also prioritizes the defense higher than Hamas. Saying that one side has fewer casualties, implying that they are "the bad ones", is smoke and mirrors.

makomk 5y ago
When Hamas shoots missiles at Israel, Israelis have bunkers to hide in. When the Israeli military bombs the Gaza Strip, there are no bunkers for the people there to hide in - Israel has made sure of that by blocking imports of concrete and steel so there is literally no way to build them. Blaming this on Hamas not having prioritized defense higher is the foulest, evillest kind of victim blaming.
- yakubin 5y ago
  Hamas gets missiles and all sort of weapons, but they can't get steel? Magic. Then they place the missile batteries next to hospitals, schools and mosques. That shows their commitment to ~defending Palestinians~ attacking Israelis. Meanwhile we should blame Israel for building effective missile defense systems...

doix 5y ago

> Trying to put equal blame on the Palestinians is just providing cover for the Israeli's on-going genocide of Palestinians. People really like to throw the word genocide around, but I really can't see how it's applicable here. The population has been steadily growing for many many years now[0]. If you consider this genocide, it must be the least effective genocide in recorded history. Considering the huge imbalance of military power, it seems entirely reasonable that if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could do it. Why waste all this money on targetted air strikes when you could just indiscriminately drop bombs? They say that each Iron Dome counter missle costs ~40k, instead of investing in counter missles, why not just use that to flatten Gazza and the West Bank? There are many statements you can make about Israel and it's treatment of Palestinians, but trying to claim that they are committing genocide seems very disingenuous to me. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-pale...

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