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Since when can you not judge a person on what they write in a published book? This isn’t “crime”, nobody is claiming it’s illegal. But it’s still sexist and fl

Since when can you not judge a person on what they write in a published book? This isn’t “crime”, nobody is claiming it’s illegal. But it’s still sexist and flat out wrong to essentially say that most women are worthless, and it’s perfectly reasonable not to want to work with or for someone who demonstrates such sexist thinking and poor judgement.

rasputnik6502 5y ago
You can judge as much as you want. But organizing a mob with pitchforks to attack the author and teach them a lesson is not exactly harmless. Or your 'judging' is more like 'lynching'
- SirSourdough 5y ago
  Saying that a person shouldn’t be hired into a prominent position where they will likely manage women on the basis that that person has said women are worthless is nothing like lynching.
  - rasputnik6502 5y ago
    Not exactly lynching, not exactly calling, not exactly women, not exactly worthless. Likely to be abusive or hostile towards women because he did what? Any cases from the past? Or is the book title 'Mein Kampf'?
    - dang 5y ago
      We've banned this account for posting flamewar comments. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
chubbyish 5y ago
What percentage of Bay Area women comprise all women in the world? And what is your definition of most? He is comparing Bay Area women to Eastern European women.
- SirSourdough 5y ago
  I don’t believe that you can make a comment as sweeping as “most Bay Area women... are so useless you could trade them for a jerry can of diesel” that doesn’t reflect a stance on all women. There are 7.75 million people in the “Bay Area”, presumably about half women. The idea that you could believe nearly 4 million women with totally disparate histories - only united by currently living in the Bay Area and being women - are mostly useless without making sexist generalizations about women defies credibility in my view. And I used the word “most” because his quote begins “most Bay Area women are soft, cosseted, and naive...” so you’ll have to ask him what he means by “most”.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    Even more importantly IMO, Apple is located in the Bay Area! That means he's speaking about his would-be coworkers and subordinates. I don't see how you could be a good team member if you come with these types of preconceived notions about the other people on the team.
    - chubbyish 5y ago
      Imagine the opposite. You come with a preconceived notion that your colleagues are tough, resilient, uncosseted. It’s simply not true of Bay Area employees. They make huge sums of money and yet you must give them everything they want or they will strike, form unions etc. They are emotionally triggered by words they misinterpret etc. It’s better to be realistic about the people you are going to work with so as to not hurt their feelings. Is this weak? Yes. But I think what they believe in is that it’s okay to be weak and lack emotional resilience, and instead, we should restrict and censure anything and anyone that violates are emotional safety, rather than being strong and building emotional resilience, etc.
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rasputnik6502 5y ago

You can judge as much as you want. But organizing a mob with pitchforks to attack the author and teach them a lesson is not exactly harmless. Or your 'judging' is more like 'lynching'

SirSourdough 5y ago
Saying that a person shouldn’t be hired into a prominent position where they will likely manage women on the basis that that person has said women are worthless is nothing like lynching.
- rasputnik6502 5y ago
  Not exactly lynching, not exactly calling, not exactly women, not exactly worthless. Likely to be abusive or hostile towards women because he did what? Any cases from the past? Or is the book title 'Mein Kampf'?
  - dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for posting flamewar comments. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

chubbyish 5y ago

What percentage of Bay Area women comprise all women in the world? And what is your definition of most? He is comparing Bay Area women to Eastern European women.

SirSourdough 5y ago
I don’t believe that you can make a comment as sweeping as “most Bay Area women... are so useless you could trade them for a jerry can of diesel” that doesn’t reflect a stance on all women. There are 7.75 million people in the “Bay Area”, presumably about half women. The idea that you could believe nearly 4 million women with totally disparate histories - only united by currently living in the Bay Area and being women - are mostly useless without making sexist generalizations about women defies credibility in my view. And I used the word “most” because his quote begins “most Bay Area women are soft, cosseted, and naive...” so you’ll have to ask him what he means by “most”.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Even more importantly IMO, Apple is located in the Bay Area! That means he's speaking about his would-be coworkers and subordinates. I don't see how you could be a good team member if you come with these types of preconceived notions about the other people on the team.
  - chubbyish 5y ago
    Imagine the opposite. You come with a preconceived notion that your colleagues are tough, resilient, uncosseted. It’s simply not true of Bay Area employees. They make huge sums of money and yet you must give them everything they want or they will strike, form unions etc. They are emotionally triggered by words they misinterpret etc. It’s better to be realistic about the people you are going to work with so as to not hurt their feelings. Is this weak? Yes. But I think what they believe in is that it’s okay to be weak and lack emotional resilience, and instead, we should restrict and censure anything and anyone that violates are emotional safety, rather than being strong and building emotional resilience, etc.
- 5y ago