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I can understand that technological improvements will have improved safety and efficiency. I definitely agree that we need a spread of technologies to provide

by lwhi 5y ago

I can understand that technological improvements will have improved safety and efficiency. I definitely agree that we need a spread of technologies to provide for our energy need. I'm not convinced nuclear needs to be part of that solution though.

godelski 5y ago
> I'm not convinced nuclear needs to be part of that solution though. That's cool. But just recognize that the scientific community disagrees. Though many have given up on even trying to push nuclear as being a minimal part due to these types of responses. I just want you to be aware of how your personal and non-expertise stance stands compared to the scientific community.
- lwhi 5y ago
  Sorry, but you can't speak for the scientific community. The scientific community is varied, and has a plurality of voices. Without wanting to be rude, this kind of rhetoric feels closer in spirit to the kind of lobbying that might be associated with an industry body.
  - godelski 5y ago
    Being part of that scientific community, having gone to many lectures on the subject, having personally sat down and having beers with these friends, I think I can make that claim. Also, if you don't believe me you can just fact check me. Search the internet. Attend a public talk, there's tons! I appreciate the skepticism, but your basis of doubt is that you don't like what I have to say rather than having some other reason to not believe me. So yes, I would say you are being rude. Especially considering you are calling me a lobbyist. I used to work in radiation shielding and no longer do. I even used to work with the DOE. But I'm not even tied to those things anymore. Seriously, just go talk to some actual scientists. We love to talk about our research.
    - lwhi 5y ago
      The scientific community is wide. You can speak for yourself, and perhaps even the community of nuclear scientists as a whole. It stands to reason a group of scientists working towards developing nuclear power are going to be proponents.
      - godelski 5y ago
        Most of the people I'm referring to are climate scientists. I'm not saying "nuclear scientists believe" I'm saying "climate scientists generally agree that". But again, the rudeness isn't the skepticism, it is that the skepticism is caused simply because you disagree with me. I don't even see what expertise you have to disagree with as you're not even pointing to anything except "la de da." You have no evidence that I'm wrong, and I don't expect you to find any (though of course there are scientists that disagree, but that's not what consensus means. Nothing is absolute. You yourself said this). The DOE has plenty of talks that are public (online and in person), I encourage you to attend one, or several. Mostly because they are interesting and I think anyone interested in climate should. And to clarify, DOE is doing a lot of the climate modeling. Yes, they also handle nuclear, but they do far more than that and it isn't the same teams of people. So either I'm shilling for an industry I'm no longer in, or your preconceived notions are wrong. I'm a bit peeved that your response to me disagreeing with you is to claim that I'm a lobbyist. There is no conspiracy going on here. It doesn't even make sense considering how costly nuclear is and how small of a percentage it is of the power sector. Jumping to conspiracy is a bit odd. You're very vocal in this thread but your comments don't demonstrate basic knowledge of climate nor nuclear technology. Maybe sit this one out and go to a few lectures before coming back. I'm happy you're passionate. This is a subject I deeply care about too. But in science you have to constantly ask yourself if your preconceived notions are wrong. Because frankly nothing is "obvious" as the general public likes to claim. But I don't have anything else to say here. You can continue to believe I'm part of this big nuclear conspiracy theory but I just want you to know how insane that sounds to me and others here. There's much simpler and more obvious explanations that this grand conspiracy. Especially since we're also advocating for renewables. I can't even figure out how your conspiracy theory makes sense (yes, I know you're not the only one that believes this). Like why would a conspirator ask you to get more informed in the general principles like climate and renewable energy? I don't get it and I don't think I will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

by lwhi 5y ago

godelski 5y ago

> I'm not convinced nuclear needs to be part of that solution though. That's cool. But just recognize that the scientific community disagrees. Though many have given up on even trying to push nuclear as being a minimal part due to these types of responses. I just want you to be aware of how your personal and non-expertise stance stands compared to the scientific community.

lwhi 5y ago
Sorry, but you can't speak for the scientific community. The scientific community is varied, and has a plurality of voices. Without wanting to be rude, this kind of rhetoric feels closer in spirit to the kind of lobbying that might be associated with an industry body.
- godelski 5y ago
  Being part of that scientific community, having gone to many lectures on the subject, having personally sat down and having beers with these friends, I think I can make that claim. Also, if you don't believe me you can just fact check me. Search the internet. Attend a public talk, there's tons! I appreciate the skepticism, but your basis of doubt is that you don't like what I have to say rather than having some other reason to not believe me. So yes, I would say you are being rude. Especially considering you are calling me a lobbyist. I used to work in radiation shielding and no longer do. I even used to work with the DOE. But I'm not even tied to those things anymore. Seriously, just go talk to some actual scientists. We love to talk about our research.
  - lwhi 5y ago
    The scientific community is wide. You can speak for yourself, and perhaps even the community of nuclear scientists as a whole. It stands to reason a group of scientists working towards developing nuclear power are going to be proponents.
    - godelski 5y ago
      Most of the people I'm referring to are climate scientists. I'm not saying "nuclear scientists believe" I'm saying "climate scientists generally agree that". But again, the rudeness isn't the skepticism, it is that the skepticism is caused simply because you disagree with me. I don't even see what expertise you have to disagree with as you're not even pointing to anything except "la de da." You have no evidence that I'm wrong, and I don't expect you to find any (though of course there are scientists that disagree, but that's not what consensus means. Nothing is absolute. You yourself said this). The DOE has plenty of talks that are public (online and in person), I encourage you to attend one, or several. Mostly because they are interesting and I think anyone interested in climate should. And to clarify, DOE is doing a lot of the climate modeling. Yes, they also handle nuclear, but they do far more than that and it isn't the same teams of people. So either I'm shilling for an industry I'm no longer in, or your preconceived notions are wrong. I'm a bit peeved that your response to me disagreeing with you is to claim that I'm a lobbyist. There is no conspiracy going on here. It doesn't even make sense considering how costly nuclear is and how small of a percentage it is of the power sector. Jumping to conspiracy is a bit odd. You're very vocal in this thread but your comments don't demonstrate basic knowledge of climate nor nuclear technology. Maybe sit this one out and go to a few lectures before coming back. I'm happy you're passionate. This is a subject I deeply care about too. But in science you have to constantly ask yourself if your preconceived notions are wrong. Because frankly nothing is "obvious" as the general public likes to claim. But I don't have anything else to say here. You can continue to believe I'm part of this big nuclear conspiracy theory but I just want you to know how insane that sounds to me and others here. There's much simpler and more obvious explanations that this grand conspiracy. Especially since we're also advocating for renewables. I can't even figure out how your conspiracy theory makes sense (yes, I know you're not the only one that believes this). Like why would a conspirator ask you to get more informed in the general principles like climate and renewable energy? I don't get it and I don't think I will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯