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Since when personal feelings and opinions should be prosecuted? And who is so entitled to give themselves such right?

tomnipotent 5y ago
Yes. We're allowed to judge people for the things they do and so, and decide we don't want to work with them. He's allowed his, and we're allowed ours. Many people are not interested with working with people that hold these world views, not when they have influence over the career progression of others.
- Udik 5y ago
  The question is not whether it's allowed or not, it is. The question is whether it's stupid or not, and I think it is, terribly so.
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.
    - rasputnik6502 5y ago
      Nobody forces them to work, and 'known mysogynist' is just a personal attack without merit. What actions did he take against women in general or any woman in particular to be called a misogynist? Remember, if it's only your personal belief, if you dislike the book and the author of it you're free to look for another workplace. But not free to take actions against someone just because you don't like them.
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        > Nobody forces them to work Right, because women are all still all housewives and don't need to worry about bills or having jobs and the bosses they might have. > What actions did he take against How have you missed the whole "wrote book expressing lots of misogyny" bit?
        rasputnik6502 5y ago
        I dont think i missed the book, i just have a different view of the situation. It's true i didnt read the book, and dont feel compelled to read it, but also dont feel offended by it or have any desire to punish the author. It's just a book, paper covered with some text. Everyone has the right to defend themselves when they are attacked by someone, threatened or endangered by someone's actions. But it's not that type of situation. And so taking actions against the author to harm them, cause trouble or harass in any other way is not self defense at all, it's actually quite the opposite. In addition to that, drawing conclusions from the text of the book to assume the author would mistreat female coworkers goes a bit too far. Author can be a total asshole and have totally messed up views, but if he doesnt act on them then how do you justify harassing him?
    - Udik 5y ago
      > women should be forced to work under a known misogynist How do you know he's a misogynist? You read a small, absolutely marginal excerpt from a book that is clearly written in a literary style. In it, he draws a comparison between a particular woman, who is praised for her talent and resourcefulness, and "most Bay Area women", who are definitely not all women, in the Bay Area and much less in general. "Most Americans" is not a judgement on human beings, "most American men" is not a judgement on all men, so why should "most Bay Area women" be a judgement on all women? And this is even assuming that that remark corresponds to some deep conviction, which is a silly assumption given the style and the context.
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        Did you consider that I've read the book? Here's my favorite review from Goodreads 2016: "Pretentious, pseudo-intellectual misogynist pontificates about his theories on tech business, society, and capitalism while sneering at every other human with Olympian contempt and making unacceptable sexist comments about women for about 500 pages."
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    - chubbyish 5y ago
      > thinks them inferior To who? Eastern European woman. How is this sexist? > known misogynist Men find women physically attractive. I would be interested to know what films, books, comedians you actually find permissible for yourself to enjoy. If you take offense to what is written here, I really don’t see how most of the media available today can be suitable. Do you ever ask yourself if you are being consistent in your standards?
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        I don't have to work for those directors, authors, or comedians. And if Joss Whedon is any indication, a lot of other people don't want to either but have toxic people like this forced upon them by powers-that-be.
    - SamReidHughes 5y ago
      Just have all the women and men in the org share their SAT math scores if they're worried about bias.
- rasputnik6502 5y ago
  Well I'm not interested in working with people who feel entitled to targeting someone and mobbing to destroy them based on opinions and personal beliefs. This is illegal activity imho
pseudalopex 5y ago
Since when was he prosecuted?

Yes. We're allowed to judge people for the things they do and so, and decide we don't want to work with them. He's allowed his, and we're allowed ours. Many people are not interested with working with people that hold these world views, not when they have influence over the career progression of others.

Udik 5y ago
The question is not whether it's allowed or not, it is. The question is whether it's stupid or not, and I think it is, terribly so.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.
  - rasputnik6502 5y ago
    Nobody forces them to work, and 'known mysogynist' is just a personal attack without merit. What actions did he take against women in general or any woman in particular to be called a misogynist? Remember, if it's only your personal belief, if you dislike the book and the author of it you're free to look for another workplace. But not free to take actions against someone just because you don't like them.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      > Nobody forces them to work Right, because women are all still all housewives and don't need to worry about bills or having jobs and the bosses they might have. > What actions did he take against How have you missed the whole "wrote book expressing lots of misogyny" bit?
      - rasputnik6502 5y ago
        I dont think i missed the book, i just have a different view of the situation. It's true i didnt read the book, and dont feel compelled to read it, but also dont feel offended by it or have any desire to punish the author. It's just a book, paper covered with some text. Everyone has the right to defend themselves when they are attacked by someone, threatened or endangered by someone's actions. But it's not that type of situation. And so taking actions against the author to harm them, cause trouble or harass in any other way is not self defense at all, it's actually quite the opposite. In addition to that, drawing conclusions from the text of the book to assume the author would mistreat female coworkers goes a bit too far. Author can be a total asshole and have totally messed up views, but if he doesnt act on them then how do you justify harassing him?
  - Udik 5y ago
    > women should be forced to work under a known misogynist How do you know he's a misogynist? You read a small, absolutely marginal excerpt from a book that is clearly written in a literary style. In it, he draws a comparison between a particular woman, who is praised for her talent and resourcefulness, and "most Bay Area women", who are definitely not all women, in the Bay Area and much less in general. "Most Americans" is not a judgement on human beings, "most American men" is not a judgement on all men, so why should "most Bay Area women" be a judgement on all women? And this is even assuming that that remark corresponds to some deep conviction, which is a silly assumption given the style and the context.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      Did you consider that I've read the book? Here's my favorite review from Goodreads 2016: "Pretentious, pseudo-intellectual misogynist pontificates about his theories on tech business, society, and capitalism while sneering at every other human with Olympian contempt and making unacceptable sexist comments about women for about 500 pages."
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  - chubbyish 5y ago
    > thinks them inferior To who? Eastern European woman. How is this sexist? > known misogynist Men find women physically attractive. I would be interested to know what films, books, comedians you actually find permissible for yourself to enjoy. If you take offense to what is written here, I really don’t see how most of the media available today can be suitable. Do you ever ask yourself if you are being consistent in your standards?
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      I don't have to work for those directors, authors, or comedians. And if Joss Whedon is any indication, a lot of other people don't want to either but have toxic people like this forced upon them by powers-that-be.
  - SamReidHughes 5y ago
    Just have all the women and men in the org share their SAT math scores if they're worried about bias.
rasputnik6502 5y ago
Well I'm not interested in working with people who feel entitled to targeting someone and mobbing to destroy them based on opinions and personal beliefs. This is illegal activity imho

pseudalopex 5y ago

Since when was he prosecuted?