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I second this insight. I'm a pressure vessel designer by trade. I got my numbers for all of this here[0] Liquefied hydrogen either needs to be stored cryogenic
by albrewer 5y ago
I second this insight. I'm a pressure vessel designer by trade. I got my numbers for all of this here[0]
Liquefied hydrogen either needs to be stored cryogenically as a liquid, or at a very high pressure as a gas (65 MPa). I'm ignoring adsorption methods here.
Given that we can't continuously maintain -253 °C all the time, this method is impractical for mobile usage.
That leaves gaseous storage. To match the current range of diesel tractor-trailers, you'd need at least 4x the volume in hydrogen to come close to the standard of 600 miles between refills. I'm going to assume we need to store 1500 L of hydrogen to match the range.
Other assumptions:
The tank has a max overall length of roughly 2.5 meters.
Inner and outer corrosion / gouge allowance of 6mm
Design temperature of 200 °C (in case of fire).
Material of construction is A-387 5 2 (5% Cr, 2% Mo steel) lined with something that prevents diffusion into and hydrogen embrittlement of the base metal.
Vessel consists of a cylinder with spherical head on either end.
Given:
Inner diameter is 890mm, shell length is 1830mm, allowable stress is 178 MPa at the design temperature, we can use equation 4.3.1 from the ASME BPVC Section VIII Division 2 to determine the minimum thickness required for the given pressure.
D is the corroded inner diameter of the vessel, P is the design pressure, S is the allowable stress, and E is the weld joint efficiency (assumed 1).
D / 2 * (exp[P / (S * E)] - 1) + Corrosion
902 / 2 * (exp[65 / (178 * 1)] - 1) + 12 = 211mm wall thickness
The weight of just the cylinder at that thickness with a length of 1.83m (without the spherical heads) is 11,000 kg.
At that weight, batteries are pretty competitive.
[0]: https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage-basics-0 https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage-basic...
- Gibbon1 5y agoNice to see someone doing engineering math. Based on this Semi with 150 miles of range and a 250kwh battery. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34876269/volvo-trucks-electric-semi/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34876269/volvo-trucks-ele... Probably need 1000 kwh to get 600 miles of range. At 150wh/kg (based on a Tesla 3) that's 6,670 kg for equivalent battery. vs your calculation of 11,000kg for the tank.