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If you're comparing dancing to sports and orthography to written SAT, then I get the impression you might not even understand what either of things really mean.

by jart 5y ago

If you're comparing dancing to sports and orthography to written SAT, then I get the impression you might not even understand what either of things really mean. The medical literature says you're literally incapable of doing it, regardless of how hard you try. Now, that doesn't say anything about your value as person. No one cares if you're bad at writing wedding cards. In fact the sorts of people who are good at those things would probably feel excited to have the opportunity to feel useful if you were to delegate the task to them.

gregjor 5y ago
No medical literature says I or anyone else is incapable of dancing or orthography. A statistical average of autistics showing this or that impairment over a large sample says nothing about individuals. You should read the diagnostic criteria for autism spectrum disorders, which includes what is called Asperger’s. Here it is in case you don’t have the DSM-5 handy: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html A person who can’t dance or isn’t comfortable talking to strangers isn’t necessarily “on the spectrum,” and a person diagnosed with ASD isn’t “literally incapable” of doing those things.
- jart 5y ago
  I was going off the primary materials. It's pretty clear that you won't believe that being diagnosed with a disability (well, according to ada, or whichever word you feel most appropriate) means you can't dance and write wedding cards the same way other people do. Have you considered simply challenging the definition? Instead of all this big picture epistemology? You can change the culture so that dance for example includes that thing kraftwerk does. Then no one can laugh because the perception of what it means to be a dancer became more inclusive.
  - gregjor 5y ago
    If I felt disabled or excluded I would take dance lessons or learn calligraphy, like “other” people do. I’m not incapable, just not interested. That isn’t a medical condition. I’m not interested in quixotic attempts to change the culture. A diagnosis of something so vague and variable as ASD doesn’t imply specific disabilities, or an inability to adapt and overcome. It’s an artificial label, not an identity.

by jart 5y ago

gregjor 5y ago

No medical literature says I or anyone else is incapable of dancing or orthography. A statistical average of autistics showing this or that impairment over a large sample says nothing about individuals. You should read the diagnostic criteria for autism spectrum disorders, which includes what is called Asperger’s. Here it is in case you don’t have the DSM-5 handy: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html A person who can’t dance or isn’t comfortable talking to strangers isn’t necessarily “on the spectrum,” and a person diagnosed with ASD isn’t “literally incapable” of doing those things.

jart 5y ago
I was going off the primary materials. It's pretty clear that you won't believe that being diagnosed with a disability (well, according to ada, or whichever word you feel most appropriate) means you can't dance and write wedding cards the same way other people do. Have you considered simply challenging the definition? Instead of all this big picture epistemology? You can change the culture so that dance for example includes that thing kraftwerk does. Then no one can laugh because the perception of what it means to be a dancer became more inclusive.
- gregjor 5y ago
  If I felt disabled or excluded I would take dance lessons or learn calligraphy, like “other” people do. I’m not incapable, just not interested. That isn’t a medical condition. I’m not interested in quixotic attempts to change the culture. A diagnosis of something so vague and variable as ASD doesn’t imply specific disabilities, or an inability to adapt and overcome. It’s an artificial label, not an identity.