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In the US, they dont vote for the flashiest, they vote with their tribe. The percentage of people that are "independent" and "undecided" is minuscule, which is

In the US, they dont vote for the flashiest, they vote with their tribe. The percentage of people that are "independent" and "undecided" is minuscule, which is why our choice in 2020 was between a orange-colored crazy "republican" (who was a democrat for most of his life) and a barely sentient milquetoast "democrat"

pavel_lishin 5y ago
> they vote with their tribe The current voters do; we don't necessarily know how people who don't currently vote would behave.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  true
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
Biden wasn't "barely sentient." Not only did the guy incredibly well prepared during the campaign and debates, but he would even stop to answer additional questions after the lights were off and the cameras stopped rolling. He's not a great orator and wouldn't have been my first choice (If it were up to me only candidates between 50 and 65 would be allowed to run), but he was better prepared for the job than any candidate since Bush Sr.
- MrRiddle 5y ago
  Clinton received all the questions before the debate, I can assume they got them to Biden as well.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    Even if Trump got the questions, he couldn't have answered any of them because the man was the most incompetent national politician in history, modern or otherwise, but that wasn't what I was replying to, was it? Biden clearly has complete control over his own mental faculties and knows more about running a government than 99% of the politicians in this country.
    - misiti3780 5y ago
      You don't have to do too much homework at this point to see Biden is fading. He isn't the same man he was 10 years ago. I voted for him, but lets not kid ourselves.
      - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
        You don't have to do much homework to figure out that "barely sentient" doesn't describe him, either.
        misiti3780 5y ago
        Maybe that was a bit harsh .... I'll give you that.
moshmosh 5y ago
A lot of apparently-odd behavior during campaigns makes a lot more sense when you realize that GOTV (get out the vote), or suppressing your opponents' vote, can be a more effective use of time and resources than actually trying to sway undecideds, in a (de facto) two-party system like ours. This is also why Hillary's nomination was alarming to anyone with a sense of how almost all Republicans and a lot of blue-collar Dems viewed her (rightly or wrongly—doesn't matter). Her nomination was a huge, free boost to R GOTV and gave the Ds an uphill battle for GOTV on their own side (again, doesn't matter whether that was "fair", it just was).
organsnyder 5y ago
Enough of that "Biden is senile" hogwash. That narrative was pushed by people with a long history of gaslighting, seeking to capitalize on a speech impediment.
paxys 5y ago
That is exactly what ranked choice voting would fix. If there are 5 democrats, 5 republicans and 5 other parties/independents on the ballot, you can now make a much more informed decision (and have your vote still count) without having to bow down to the extreme voices from either party. The mindset of "I'll just vote D or R down the ballot" is no longer an option.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  i agree, but it will never happen.
aussiegreenie 5y ago
> a barely sentient milquetoast "democrat" Much to my surprise, the "milquetoast" has had one of the most successful starts to a presidency ever. Whether it is the civil war (uncivil??) within the GOP or the fact everybody underestimates "Sleepy Joe". He has had a great start to his presidency. Any non-Trump candidate would look good just by not tweeting at 3.00am. Sleepy Joe is more effective than Sax-playing Bill or No drama Obama because no one is paying attention. And that is good for America and the world.

pavel_lishin 5y ago

> they vote with their tribe The current voters do; we don't necessarily know how people who don't currently vote would behave.

misiti3780 5y ago
true

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

Biden wasn't "barely sentient." Not only did the guy incredibly well prepared during the campaign and debates, but he would even stop to answer additional questions after the lights were off and the cameras stopped rolling. He's not a great orator and wouldn't have been my first choice (If it were up to me only candidates between 50 and 65 would be allowed to run), but he was better prepared for the job than any candidate since Bush Sr.

MrRiddle 5y ago
Clinton received all the questions before the debate, I can assume they got them to Biden as well.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  Even if Trump got the questions, he couldn't have answered any of them because the man was the most incompetent national politician in history, modern or otherwise, but that wasn't what I was replying to, was it? Biden clearly has complete control over his own mental faculties and knows more about running a government than 99% of the politicians in this country.
  - misiti3780 5y ago
    You don't have to do too much homework at this point to see Biden is fading. He isn't the same man he was 10 years ago. I voted for him, but lets not kid ourselves.
    - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
      You don't have to do much homework to figure out that "barely sentient" doesn't describe him, either.
      - misiti3780 5y ago
        Maybe that was a bit harsh .... I'll give you that.

moshmosh 5y ago

A lot of apparently-odd behavior during campaigns makes a lot more sense when you realize that GOTV (get out the vote), or suppressing your opponents' vote, can be a more effective use of time and resources than actually trying to sway undecideds, in a (de facto) two-party system like ours. This is also why Hillary's nomination was alarming to anyone with a sense of how almost all Republicans and a lot of blue-collar Dems viewed her (rightly or wrongly—doesn't matter). Her nomination was a huge, free boost to R GOTV and gave the Ds an uphill battle for GOTV on their own side (again, doesn't matter whether that was "fair", it just was).

organsnyder 5y ago

Enough of that "Biden is senile" hogwash. That narrative was pushed by people with a long history of gaslighting, seeking to capitalize on a speech impediment.

paxys 5y ago

That is exactly what ranked choice voting would fix. If there are 5 democrats, 5 republicans and 5 other parties/independents on the ballot, you can now make a much more informed decision (and have your vote still count) without having to bow down to the extreme voices from either party. The mindset of "I'll just vote D or R down the ballot" is no longer an option.

misiti3780 5y ago
i agree, but it will never happen.

aussiegreenie 5y ago

> a barely sentient milquetoast "democrat" Much to my surprise, the "milquetoast" has had one of the most successful starts to a presidency ever. Whether it is the civil war (uncivil??) within the GOP or the fact everybody underestimates "Sleepy Joe". He has had a great start to his presidency. Any non-Trump candidate would look good just by not tweeting at 3.00am. Sleepy Joe is more effective than Sax-playing Bill or No drama Obama because no one is paying attention. And that is good for America and the world.