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List of people declared persona non grata

16 points by areoform 5y ago

bjeds 5y ago
I think this one is my "favorite" in the list, in the sense of most surprising: > On December 10, 2019, Kosovo declared the Austrian author Peter Handke persona non grata after he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature.[94]
peter_d_sherman 5y ago
It would be better to call this list what it is: A list of people who were declared persona non grata -- to a particular Country... Which makes me wonder (as a philosopher-comedy-writer or perhaps comedy-philosopher)... what would be the most extreme version of this? I mean, could someone be banned from Earth? Not just one Country -- but the entire Earth -- itself? I mean, there's 193 or so countries in the world (well, apparently 204 if non U.N. member countries are counted), but, Would it be possible for someone to be banned from all of them -- at the same time? ? ...and all of the world's oceans -- and North Pole and South Pole too? ? Also, someone wouldn't want to be banned by a large important Country -- but what if they were banned by a smaller, more insignificant one? Like, what if they were banned from some small insignificant (well, as far as global trade goes!) micro island nation? ? Or, what if someone was banned from regions that they really really (and I mean really!) -- didn't want to visit? ? Like the Gobi or Sahara Desert? Or the northernmost tundra region of Canada? You know, as close as you can get to the North Pole -- while still remaining in Canada... That whole artic circle thing, where it's really really cold, and really really dark for most of the year... You know, if someone gets banned from Twitter or some other social media site -- that's one thing -- but a Global persona non grata ban? Well, that's something else entirely! <g> (Disclaimer: The above was written for humor-writing (and perhaps thought-provoking!) purposes only! <g>)
- probably_wrong 5y ago
  I imagine being stateless is the closest you could get. You wouldn't be forbidden from entering a region, but you wouldn't be really allowed in most of them. Alternatively, a sentence to life in jail without parole would be essentially the same - you would be banned from the entire world minus whatever small space your jail occupies. And unlike being stateless, people will try really hard to ensure you don't set foot on the rest of the world.
  - ggggtez 5y ago
    I think, expanding on this, it's important to note that persona-non-grata is given to a person who hasn't necessarily been accused of any crime. They just aren't welcome. In fact, a person who commits a crime might actually be welcome in another country that doesn't consider your infraction to be criminal (e.g. if you're in jail for being gay, probably there are many countries that would happily give you refuge if you could somehow figure a way to break out of jail and cross their border). To truly be banned from the world, you'd likely have committed serious crimes. And thus you wouldn't just be "persona-non-grata" but charged with something like war-crimes in international court. Then I think many countries would love to have you... locked in a cell... but safely within their borders.
- pjerem 5y ago
  AFAIK, you cannot be banned from a country if you have its nationality and you cannot lose a nationality if it’s the only one you have. So I would say no.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > AFAIK, you cannot be banned from a country if you have its nationality and you cannot lose a nationality if it’s the only one you have. It is possible for country A and B to both conclude under their laws that (1) you have the nationality of the other country and, (2) you have forfeited your right to the nationality of the country making the decision. Both would agree that the net result is undesirable, but insist that the other country was in error. (Also, just because its in an international agreement doesn’t mean a country won’t blatantly do it without even pretense of compliance.)
  - detaro 5y ago
    That's the law in many countries, but far from universal. And even such countries tend to have some exceptions.
  - ggggtez 5y ago
    I think you can't revoke your citizenship of a country, but the country probably can still choose to exile you. I imagine it's not done commonly though.
  - david_allison 5y ago
    Shamima Begum[0] is a recent high-profile example of this happening > UK Home Secretary Sajid Javid announced that an order had been made with the intention of stripping Begum of her British citizenship. The UK government could not legally deprive her of British citizenship if doing so would leave her stateless. However, the UK government contended that Begum was eligible for citizenship of Bangladesh and was not left stateless. The Government of Bangladesh, however, stated that Begum does not currently hold Bangladeshi citizenship and would not be allowed to enter the country. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
- ggggtez 5y ago
  > banned by all of them Yes, but if you were despised by 193 countries in the world, I think it's safe to say that you'd just be assassinated instead. These persona-non-grata are really used to ban diplomats (and thus, someone acting on behalf of at least one country).
- nexuist 5y ago
  I believe being "banned from Earth" in a political context is more commonly referred to as "assassination"
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_habitat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_habitat
fergbrain 5y ago
How long until Sam Denby from Wendover makes a Half As Interesting video on this? Edit: typo
besnn00 5y ago
Most of these are ridiculous. Really shows how childish politics are sometimes.

16 points by areoform 5y ago

I think this one is my "favorite" in the list, in the sense of most surprising: > On December 10, 2019, Kosovo declared the Austrian author Peter Handke persona non grata after he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature.[94]

peter_d_sherman 5y ago

It would be better to call this list what it is: A list of people who were declared persona non grata -- to a particular Country... Which makes me wonder (as a philosopher-comedy-writer or perhaps comedy-philosopher)... what would be the most extreme version of this? I mean, could someone be banned from Earth? Not just one Country -- but the entire Earth -- itself? I mean, there's 193 or so countries in the world (well, apparently 204 if non U.N. member countries are counted), but, Would it be possible for someone to be banned from all of them -- at the same time? ? ...and all of the world's oceans -- and North Pole and South Pole too? ? Also, someone wouldn't want to be banned by a large important Country -- but what if they were banned by a smaller, more insignificant one? Like, what if they were banned from some small insignificant (well, as far as global trade goes!) micro island nation? ? Or, what if someone was banned from regions that they really really (and I mean really!) -- didn't want to visit? ? Like the Gobi or Sahara Desert? Or the northernmost tundra region of Canada? You know, as close as you can get to the North Pole -- while still remaining in Canada... That whole artic circle thing, where it's really really cold, and really really dark for most of the year... You know, if someone gets banned from Twitter or some other social media site -- that's one thing -- but a Global persona non grata ban? Well, that's something else entirely! <g> (Disclaimer: The above was written for humor-writing (and perhaps thought-provoking!) purposes only! <g>)

probably_wrong 5y ago
I imagine being stateless is the closest you could get. You wouldn't be forbidden from entering a region, but you wouldn't be really allowed in most of them. Alternatively, a sentence to life in jail without parole would be essentially the same - you would be banned from the entire world minus whatever small space your jail occupies. And unlike being stateless, people will try really hard to ensure you don't set foot on the rest of the world.
- ggggtez 5y ago
  I think, expanding on this, it's important to note that persona-non-grata is given to a person who hasn't necessarily been accused of any crime. They just aren't welcome. In fact, a person who commits a crime might actually be welcome in another country that doesn't consider your infraction to be criminal (e.g. if you're in jail for being gay, probably there are many countries that would happily give you refuge if you could somehow figure a way to break out of jail and cross their border). To truly be banned from the world, you'd likely have committed serious crimes. And thus you wouldn't just be "persona-non-grata" but charged with something like war-crimes in international court. Then I think many countries would love to have you... locked in a cell... but safely within their borders.
pjerem 5y ago
AFAIK, you cannot be banned from a country if you have its nationality and you cannot lose a nationality if it’s the only one you have. So I would say no.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > AFAIK, you cannot be banned from a country if you have its nationality and you cannot lose a nationality if it’s the only one you have. It is possible for country A and B to both conclude under their laws that (1) you have the nationality of the other country and, (2) you have forfeited your right to the nationality of the country making the decision. Both would agree that the net result is undesirable, but insist that the other country was in error. (Also, just because its in an international agreement doesn’t mean a country won’t blatantly do it without even pretense of compliance.)
- detaro 5y ago
  That's the law in many countries, but far from universal. And even such countries tend to have some exceptions.
- ggggtez 5y ago
  I think you can't revoke your citizenship of a country, but the country probably can still choose to exile you. I imagine it's not done commonly though.
- david_allison 5y ago
  Shamima Begum[0] is a recent high-profile example of this happening > UK Home Secretary Sajid Javid announced that an order had been made with the intention of stripping Begum of her British citizenship. The UK government could not legally deprive her of British citizenship if doing so would leave her stateless. However, the UK government contended that Begum was eligible for citizenship of Bangladesh and was not left stateless. The Government of Bangladesh, however, stated that Begum does not currently hold Bangladeshi citizenship and would not be allowed to enter the country. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
ggggtez 5y ago
> banned by all of them Yes, but if you were despised by 193 countries in the world, I think it's safe to say that you'd just be assassinated instead. These persona-non-grata are really used to ban diplomats (and thus, someone acting on behalf of at least one country).
nexuist 5y ago
I believe being "banned from Earth" in a political context is more commonly referred to as "assassination"
- perl4ever 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_habitat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_habitat

fergbrain 5y ago

How long until Sam Denby from Wendover makes a Half As Interesting video on this? Edit: typo

besnn00 5y ago

Most of these are ridiculous. Really shows how childish politics are sometimes.