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by shafyy 5y ago

I could reframe your statement like so: ~~ = strikethrough, italic = my inserts "I worked in the commercial ~~trucking~~ EV space for a little bit and I don't know anyone in the commercial ~trucking~ industry that genuinely thinks batteries will be the solution for ~~long-haul, class 7 & 8 trucks~~ practical, affordable, long-range cars. At least not in the next decade or so, if ever. Elon and Tesla will tell you otherwise but there's a reason their ~~Semi~~ Model 3 has been delayed for 3 years now... More often than not, innovation comes from industry outsiders. You can think whatever you want of Musk, but I think he has more than proven that he eventually gets the shit done he has talked about.

throwawayboise 5y ago
> practical, affordable, long-range cars We don't have this in EV yet, or is it your perception that we do?
- davewritescode 5y ago
  We do not. Most cheaper EVs are ~200 miles of EPA estimated range which here in the US limits the use of the vehicle significantly. You also have to account for the fact that EPA estimates tend to be fairly optimistic for the way some people drive. A Model3 AWD (non LR) will struggle to hit 200 miles of range at 75+ MPH with the heat running and temperatures near freezing. For anyone in New England cold weather and prevailing highway speeds of 75+ are fairly standard.
justapassenger 5y ago
> practical, affordable, long-range cars I've been driving only EVs or PHEVs with big batteries for last 5 years. EVs are practical for my specific use cases. But it's a lie to say that we have EVs that practical, affordable, and long-range. They're practical for people with garages. Affordable, only if you don't cross shop them same price point for hybrids, and don't compare what you get for the money. And none of them is long-range - ok range, at best. And not a single car comes close to being both affordable and long-range.
- davewritescode 5y ago
  Emphasis on the "don't compare what you get for the money". The Tesla Model3 is nice, but once you get close to $50k here in the US you're up against much much nicer vehicles to spend a few hours in. I bought a car 2 years back and test drove the Model3 as one of the contenders. The two things that led me to skip an electric car this go around was the poor dealership support that I had a couple of owners warn me about and the fact that the Model3 interior is pretty awful compared to what you get in most entry level Japanese and German 'luxury' cars. I'm a car guy, I can't justify spending that kind of money on something I don't absolutely love. I'm excited to revisit the decision a couple of years down the line.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    Unless you look at Japanese or German cars I think you'll be disappointed. It's not that Tesla has poorer interior than other American cars. In general they all have plastic-y, toy-like interior. Even cars more expensive than Tesla have this problem. And then there's the interior design. Cars half the price have much higher interior quality in German and Japanese cars (and Korean and French and Chinese and...). It has always been like this for some rreason. Have you seen a Mustangs interior? Yikes!

I could reframe your statement like so: ~~ = strikethrough, italic = my inserts "I worked in the commercial ~~trucking~~ EV space for a little bit and I don't

by shafyy 5y ago

throwawayboise 5y ago

> practical, affordable, long-range cars We don't have this in EV yet, or is it your perception that we do?

davewritescode 5y ago
We do not. Most cheaper EVs are ~200 miles of EPA estimated range which here in the US limits the use of the vehicle significantly. You also have to account for the fact that EPA estimates tend to be fairly optimistic for the way some people drive. A Model3 AWD (non LR) will struggle to hit 200 miles of range at 75+ MPH with the heat running and temperatures near freezing. For anyone in New England cold weather and prevailing highway speeds of 75+ are fairly standard.

justapassenger 5y ago

> practical, affordable, long-range cars I've been driving only EVs or PHEVs with big batteries for last 5 years. EVs are practical for my specific use cases. But it's a lie to say that we have EVs that practical, affordable, and long-range. They're practical for people with garages. Affordable, only if you don't cross shop them same price point for hybrids, and don't compare what you get for the money. And none of them is long-range - ok range, at best. And not a single car comes close to being both affordable and long-range.

davewritescode 5y ago
Emphasis on the "don't compare what you get for the money". The Tesla Model3 is nice, but once you get close to $50k here in the US you're up against much much nicer vehicles to spend a few hours in. I bought a car 2 years back and test drove the Model3 as one of the contenders. The two things that led me to skip an electric car this go around was the poor dealership support that I had a couple of owners warn me about and the fact that the Model3 interior is pretty awful compared to what you get in most entry level Japanese and German 'luxury' cars. I'm a car guy, I can't justify spending that kind of money on something I don't absolutely love. I'm excited to revisit the decision a couple of years down the line.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  Unless you look at Japanese or German cars I think you'll be disappointed. It's not that Tesla has poorer interior than other American cars. In general they all have plastic-y, toy-like interior. Even cars more expensive than Tesla have this problem. And then there's the interior design. Cars half the price have much higher interior quality in German and Japanese cars (and Korean and French and Chinese and...). It has always been like this for some rreason. Have you seen a Mustangs interior? Yikes!