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How does Facebook "sell user data"? When I buy ads on Facebook I cannot access any user's data. Do they have another product offering where I can buy user dat

by jp555 5y ago

How does Facebook "sell user data"? When I buy ads on Facebook I cannot access any user's data. Do they have another product offering where I can buy user data? I dont see anything like that.

imchillyb 5y ago
> How does Facebook "sell user data"? @jp555 https://www.androidauthority.com/signal-ads-banned-facebook-1223289/ https://www.androidauthority.com/signal-ads-banned-facebook-... That article showcases what Signal was trying to show Facebook's users. The data accumulated cannot be purchased, but the power of that harvested data certainly can be.
- jp555 5y ago
  I might gave this wrong, but only the users saw their own data in the ads they were served. Signal can choose lots of parameters for who should see their ads, but they dont get to see who those people are.
germanier 5y ago
In this case, they plan to transfer user data into another division of their company. They have bought WhatsApp LLC, with cash and shares in hand, and got (among other things) user data in return. This is a pretty clear case of selling user data of such a company, isn't it? (Note that GP never claimed that Facebook itself sold any data just that they exploit data commercially - they have given third parties extensive access to user data in the past though) Anyway, these discussions on the technicality of the term "selling data" vs "selling access to users using data" is just means to deflect from the real problem. It doesn't get away by rephrasing.
trutannus 5y ago
You don't call up Facebook and ask for a few TB of data. You use ad targeting services which are essentially an abstraction on top of a personal data aggregation and analysis system.
- jp555 5y ago
  Right, Facebook’s ability to make money comes from how well it keeps user data secret, so it can sell abstracted access to advertisers.
  - freeflight 5y ago
    It's selling data with extra steps, still selling data.
    - jp555 5y ago
      That's just obtuse. It’s clearly not selling user data at all. When I buy FB ads I cannot not get any user data. I can pick they type of user I want to see my advert, but I cannot know who they are. If you have a FB account you can try this and see for yourself right now for a few bucks. But maybe I'm wrong. Can tell me how they do sell user data?
      - trutannus 5y ago
        You're correct. If they sold the data, then they would sell themselves out of their own market.
corty 5y ago
Look for Cambridge Analytica. If you think the behavior ended with the scandal, I've got the Golden Gate Bridge and the Eiffel Tower to sell you, two for one :)
- ParanoidShroom 5y ago
  But that was all scraped, was there a financial transaction? Yes please link some other scandals, i'd want to get into it more, thanks
  - corty 5y ago
    In the Cambridge Analytica scandal, there was no direct payment to Facebook, just to an intermediary. Without an obvious payment, but maybe with mutual consideration: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/facebooks-failures-and-also-its-problems-leaking-data/578599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/faceb...

by jp555 5y ago

How does Facebook "sell user data"? When I buy ads on Facebook I cannot access any user's data. Do they have another product offering where I can buy user data? I dont see anything like that.

imchillyb 5y ago

> How does Facebook "sell user data"? @jp555 https://www.androidauthority.com/signal-ads-banned-facebook-1223289/ https://www.androidauthority.com/signal-ads-banned-facebook-... That article showcases what Signal was trying to show Facebook's users. The data accumulated cannot be purchased, but the power of that harvested data certainly can be.

jp555 5y ago
I might gave this wrong, but only the users saw their own data in the ads they were served. Signal can choose lots of parameters for who should see their ads, but they dont get to see who those people are.

germanier 5y ago

In this case, they plan to transfer user data into another division of their company. They have bought WhatsApp LLC, with cash and shares in hand, and got (among other things) user data in return. This is a pretty clear case of selling user data of such a company, isn't it? (Note that GP never claimed that Facebook itself sold any data just that they exploit data commercially - they have given third parties extensive access to user data in the past though) Anyway, these discussions on the technicality of the term "selling data" vs "selling access to users using data" is just means to deflect from the real problem. It doesn't get away by rephrasing.

trutannus 5y ago

You don't call up Facebook and ask for a few TB of data. You use ad targeting services which are essentially an abstraction on top of a personal data aggregation and analysis system.

jp555 5y ago
Right, Facebook’s ability to make money comes from how well it keeps user data secret, so it can sell abstracted access to advertisers.
- freeflight 5y ago
  It's selling data with extra steps, still selling data.
  - jp555 5y ago
    That's just obtuse. It’s clearly not selling user data at all. When I buy FB ads I cannot not get any user data. I can pick they type of user I want to see my advert, but I cannot know who they are. If you have a FB account you can try this and see for yourself right now for a few bucks. But maybe I'm wrong. Can tell me how they do sell user data?
    - trutannus 5y ago
      You're correct. If they sold the data, then they would sell themselves out of their own market.

corty 5y ago

Look for Cambridge Analytica. If you think the behavior ended with the scandal, I've got the Golden Gate Bridge and the Eiffel Tower to sell you, two for one :)

ParanoidShroom 5y ago
But that was all scraped, was there a financial transaction? Yes please link some other scandals, i'd want to get into it more, thanks
- corty 5y ago
  In the Cambridge Analytica scandal, there was no direct payment to Facebook, just to an intermediary. Without an obvious payment, but maybe with mutual consideration: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/facebooks-failures-and-also-its-problems-leaking-data/578599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/faceb...