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There are no hydrogen trucks on the road either, time will tell which one is viable. Physics tells me which one will be more likely no need for a argumentum ab

There are no hydrogen trucks on the road either, time will tell which one is viable. Physics tells me which one will be more likely no need for a argumentum ab auctoritate.

Hamuko 5y ago
Since when has listening to an authority on a topic been a bad thing? Daimler and Volvo are the two biggest truck companies in the world. I imagine they have a pretty good grasp on the market and on the engineering.
- dagw 5y ago
  Volvo also has real electric trucks on the road and working today. So if anybody knows the pros and cons of electric trucks, its probably Volvo.
  - rjmunro 5y ago
    That argument doesn't always work. GM had the EV1 "on the road and working" in 1996. Then they decided that electric cars could never work. Then Tesla happened.
    - manquer 5y ago
      Volvo has not decided that electric or hydrogen is not viable yet. There was good reason for GMs decision, the battery tech and costs in early 2000s were not simply viable for mass market adoption at that time. They were not interested in niche product. Battery cost per kwh had reduced orders of magnitude now. It is still not price competitive with gasoline bases vechiles but is close , in another five years it will be cheaper than gasoline vehicles. The equations have fundamentally changed in 20 years. Volvo or any large maker has no need to be first in the market , they just need to have good enough product when adoption kicks in, their network, brand and service will be enough to compete. While they will invest, they don't need to bet the farm in a make or break product that startups will need to do.
- jsight 5y ago
  > Since when has listening to an authority on a topic been a bad thing? It isn't a bad thing, but a reasoned argument is always preferable to an appeal to authority. This is especially true when there is scant evidence of actual authority.
zibzab 5y ago
Not true. They had a pilot program (limited to Scandinavia) some years ago. I think they decided to pivot from personal vehicles to trucks due to the lack of charging stations (all government funding was allocated for EV chargers back then, so thanks a lot Elon).
- Dah00n 5y ago
  Shell also invested heavily in hydrogen production for trucks at their oil refineries in Scandinavia a year back or so.

There are no hydrogen trucks on the road either, time will tell which one is viable. Physics tells me which one will be more likely no need for a argumentum ab auctoritate.

Hamuko 5y ago

Since when has listening to an authority on a topic been a bad thing? Daimler and Volvo are the two biggest truck companies in the world. I imagine they have a pretty good grasp on the market and on the engineering.

dagw 5y ago
Volvo also has real electric trucks on the road and working today. So if anybody knows the pros and cons of electric trucks, its probably Volvo.
- rjmunro 5y ago
  That argument doesn't always work. GM had the EV1 "on the road and working" in 1996. Then they decided that electric cars could never work. Then Tesla happened.
  - manquer 5y ago
    Volvo has not decided that electric or hydrogen is not viable yet. There was good reason for GMs decision, the battery tech and costs in early 2000s were not simply viable for mass market adoption at that time. They were not interested in niche product. Battery cost per kwh had reduced orders of magnitude now. It is still not price competitive with gasoline bases vechiles but is close , in another five years it will be cheaper than gasoline vehicles. The equations have fundamentally changed in 20 years. Volvo or any large maker has no need to be first in the market , they just need to have good enough product when adoption kicks in, their network, brand and service will be enough to compete. While they will invest, they don't need to bet the farm in a make or break product that startups will need to do.
jsight 5y ago
> Since when has listening to an authority on a topic been a bad thing? It isn't a bad thing, but a reasoned argument is always preferable to an appeal to authority. This is especially true when there is scant evidence of actual authority.

zibzab 5y ago

Not true. They had a pilot program (limited to Scandinavia) some years ago. I think they decided to pivot from personal vehicles to trucks due to the lack of charging stations (all government funding was allocated for EV chargers back then, so thanks a lot Elon).

Dah00n 5y ago
Shell also invested heavily in hydrogen production for trucks at their oil refineries in Scandinavia a year back or so.