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I despise articles written like this Clickbait Headline informative intro Real Article Begins: Once upon a time… Please just tell me the information, I’m no

I despise articles written like this Clickbait Headline informative intro Real Article Begins: Once upon a time… Please just tell me the information, I’m not here to read a story

billynomates111 5y ago
I couldn't agree more. Anyone got a tldr to share?
voisin 5y ago
Seems like a good problem to tackle with NLP text summarization. Text summarization is already pretty good for the real article issue you mentioned. I wonder if the same process could be applied in reverse to identify low quality headlines too.
- permo-w 5y ago
  I have beta access to Open AI, so I could definitely give that a go when I’ve finished my exams
mhb 5y ago
Well, journalists used to be taught the inverted pyramid concept. Maybe they've become preoccupied with other agenda.
- permo-w 5y ago
  The Economist Style Guide suggested summarising in the first few lines, then elaborating after that
JoeAltmaier 5y ago
Its four pages including large pictures. Shorter than a children's book. Have a heart - its an interesting story with lots of detail packed into those 20 paragraphs.
- ballenf 5y ago
  I don't get moralizing the point. And if you want to go that route, I'd argue that forcing someone who is coming to you based on a headline's promise to sift through a short children's book is disrespectful and rude. But maybe it's a generational thing and stories are what more people expect now. I bet NYT knows its audience better than I do.
  - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
    "Sift through". Is that what it's come to? A few paragraphs read in under a minute, is too much to ask of a modern reader? Kids these days. Bah.
    - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
      With the exponentially increasing amount of information on the Internet, yes, we have matchingly decreasing amounts of patience for sifting through it. Shit is shit, matters not if it comes in tiny pieces or massive turds. It's about aggregate volume.
- dandellion 5y ago
  I'm the same and it's not like I do it on purpose. I simply cannot enjoy the style, I like the important information up front. If I felt like reading a children's book I'd go grab a children's book. If I'm reading an informational article I want it to read like an informational article.
- permo-w 5y ago
  I understand where you’re coming from, and I’m a proponent of story-telling, but give me the main points first, then let me read the story of if I feel like it. To be more cynical, this is because it’s behind a paywall. They want to entice you with a little morsel of information, get you hooked into a story, then cut you off at the paywall. If they gave away all the info in the first few lines, less people would want to keep reading

I despise articles written like this Clickbait Headline informative intro Real Article Begins: Once upon a time… Please just tell me the information, I’m not here to read a story

billynomates111 5y ago

I couldn't agree more. Anyone got a tldr to share?

voisin 5y ago

Seems like a good problem to tackle with NLP text summarization. Text summarization is already pretty good for the real article issue you mentioned. I wonder if the same process could be applied in reverse to identify low quality headlines too.

permo-w 5y ago
I have beta access to Open AI, so I could definitely give that a go when I’ve finished my exams

mhb 5y ago

Well, journalists used to be taught the inverted pyramid concept. Maybe they've become preoccupied with other agenda.

permo-w 5y ago
The Economist Style Guide suggested summarising in the first few lines, then elaborating after that

JoeAltmaier 5y ago

Its four pages including large pictures. Shorter than a children's book. Have a heart - its an interesting story with lots of detail packed into those 20 paragraphs.

ballenf 5y ago
I don't get moralizing the point. And if you want to go that route, I'd argue that forcing someone who is coming to you based on a headline's promise to sift through a short children's book is disrespectful and rude. But maybe it's a generational thing and stories are what more people expect now. I bet NYT knows its audience better than I do.
- JoeAltmaier 5y ago
  "Sift through". Is that what it's come to? A few paragraphs read in under a minute, is too much to ask of a modern reader? Kids these days. Bah.
  - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
    With the exponentially increasing amount of information on the Internet, yes, we have matchingly decreasing amounts of patience for sifting through it. Shit is shit, matters not if it comes in tiny pieces or massive turds. It's about aggregate volume.
dandellion 5y ago
I'm the same and it's not like I do it on purpose. I simply cannot enjoy the style, I like the important information up front. If I felt like reading a children's book I'd go grab a children's book. If I'm reading an informational article I want it to read like an informational article.
permo-w 5y ago
I understand where you’re coming from, and I’m a proponent of story-telling, but give me the main points first, then let me read the story of if I feel like it. To be more cynical, this is because it’s behind a paywall. They want to entice you with a little morsel of information, get you hooked into a story, then cut you off at the paywall. If they gave away all the info in the first few lines, less people would want to keep reading