> This is my fundamental disagreement with libertarianism: your statement "I want the free market to thrive and the state entirely out of everyone's lives" is a

> This is my fundamental disagreement with libertarianism: your statement "I want the free market to thrive and the state entirely out of everyone's lives" is a complete paradox. The "free market" is a creation wholly enforced through the power of the state (and ironically always requires a lot of regulation to stay that way). I will gladly change my mind if you can give me an example of where this is not true. You are right and i think Thomas Hobbes would agree with you. The free market cannot exist without the sovereign. The sovereign is the deposit of people's will's, of their natural rights(violence and war). Thus there being a sovereign(state/regulations) does not mean people are not free. Without the sovereign one goes to full on anarchy which paradoxically leads to the supreme evil: violent death. There is no liberty if you are dead.