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> Good developers are hard to find, and the market right now is on fire, so you're a lot more valuable to them then they are to you. As much as I think this is

> Good developers are hard to find, and the market right now is on fire, so you're a lot more valuable to them then they are to you. As much as I think this is true, somehow experience tells me the other way around: valuable employees leaving company X doesn't make company X sweat. Company X just hires more... and there is always someone who can be hired. A couple of months later, everything is alright again and once realized that that valuable employee was just another cog in the machine.

moneywoes 5y ago
So employers don’t value long tenured devs? Isn’t there opportunity cost in those months
- GoToRO 5y ago
  There is. But the problem is that all employers are bad so none of them will lag behind when they loose good people. The truly good employers are a rarity.
- DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago
  It's a gradient. I saw this play out recently where a top engineer dictated he needed to work remote three weeks a month. Management was OK with it but were clearly disappointed because he is an incredible primary contributor, manager, and is part of the cultural bedrock of the department. Their argument to him was that his career development would be stunted, to which he replied "no, I don't think it will be." and left it at that. He's now working his remote schedule, so we'll see what happens. I guess the point I'm trying to make is maybe 5% of the company could pull this off. Nearly everyone else management would be far less inclined to accommodate.
  - draw_down 5y ago
    So be part of the 5% if you want that. Problem solved.
    - DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago
      I know you're being glib, and I enjoy it, but there is some truth to this. Maybe a better way to phrase it would be, try to find a career where you are part of the top 5%?
- gaws 5y ago
  > So employers don’t value long tenured devs? They don't, especially those who know they can find someone who's eager to jump in and work for less pay.

moneywoes 5y ago

So employers don’t value long tenured devs? Isn’t there opportunity cost in those months

GoToRO 5y ago
There is. But the problem is that all employers are bad so none of them will lag behind when they loose good people. The truly good employers are a rarity.
DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago
It's a gradient. I saw this play out recently where a top engineer dictated he needed to work remote three weeks a month. Management was OK with it but were clearly disappointed because he is an incredible primary contributor, manager, and is part of the cultural bedrock of the department. Their argument to him was that his career development would be stunted, to which he replied "no, I don't think it will be." and left it at that. He's now working his remote schedule, so we'll see what happens. I guess the point I'm trying to make is maybe 5% of the company could pull this off. Nearly everyone else management would be far less inclined to accommodate.
- draw_down 5y ago
  So be part of the 5% if you want that. Problem solved.
  - DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago
    I know you're being glib, and I enjoy it, but there is some truth to this. Maybe a better way to phrase it would be, try to find a career where you are part of the top 5%?
gaws 5y ago
> So employers don’t value long tenured devs? They don't, especially those who know they can find someone who's eager to jump in and work for less pay.