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I've been tracking information on COVID related immunity as my parents are due second dose, I'm due first dose and we're all COVID +ve (India). My parents got

I've been tracking information on COVID related immunity as my parents are due second dose, I'm due first dose and we're all COVID +ve (India). My parents got infected after ~ 30days of first dose Astrazenica, I got from them immediately. I had COVID brain fog, they didn't face much symptoms(vaccine doing it's job?). Luckily we all seem to be recovering well. Now since we've got immunity and that evidence suggests that it should last at least 8 months we might delay the vaccine jabs as it's of extreme scarcity in the country and many vulnerable are waiting for it. But I would wish for a immunity research with larger study group with the mutant strains supposedly capable of immune escape properties as we're facing here. Because I'm willing to take the risk based on current data, But I don't want to be wrong in suggesting that my elderly parents delay their second jab.

breck 5y ago
I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe. I have been tracking this since early February 2020. I think if you've recovered you can stop worrying about COVID, and I have seen nothing that makes me think the vaccine is worth it in the least if you've recovered. I would not worry about mutant strains either. It's a very genetically stable virus. Even though the numbers in India now are high, they are still significantly lower per capita than they were in the USA and UK last year. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~CAN~DEU~ITA~IND https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
  >I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe. That's reassuring thank you. >Even though the numbers in India now are high, they are still significantly lower per capita than they were in the USA and UK last year. But there's consensus among the scientific community that it's being widely under-reported; At least 80-90% lesser than actual figures according to Dr. Ashish Jha dean of Brown University, School of Public Health[1]. P.S. Those who want to make a political comment for the above statement, I request you not to do so out of respect for the dead. I shared the information since we're discussing numbers and not for any political blame as Dr. Jha himself says. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_YPC-mQ5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_YPC-mQ5w
  - breck 5y ago
    > But there's consensus among the scientific community that it's being widely under-reported Define consensus. I used to work at Our World in Data, so I am biased, but I would consider them the most trustworthy curator of data sources (for one, they are open source and open to pull requests). So while there indeed may be problems with the India data (and we were constantly switching to better sources as they appeared), I would trust their data sources more than any one person on YouTube.
    - Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
      > Define consensus. > I would trust their data sources more than any one person on YouTube Certainly not just a single person. I'm sure if you have a trusted news source, You might find an article on the subject like these - CNN: 'As Covid sweeps India, experts say cases and deaths are going unreported' - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/india/india-covid-underreporting-intl-hnk-dst/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/india/india-covid-underre... AP: 'Why number of COVID cases in India is exponentially higher than reported' - https://abc7chicago.com/india-covid-cases-coronavirus-case-count-underreported-in-vaccine/10569181/ https://abc7chicago.com/india-covid-cases-coronavirus-case-c... NYT: 'As Covid-19 Devastates India, Deaths Go Undercounted' - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavi... Sky news: 'COVID-19: India crematoriums 'underreporting bodies' as suspicion grows over true number of coronavirus deaths ' - https://news.sky.com/story/india-crematoriums-underreporting-bodies-as-suspicion-grows-over-true-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-12288828 https://news.sky.com/story/india-crematoriums-underreporting... Bloomberg: 'Even Record Death Toll May Hide Extent of India’s Covid Crisis' - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-22/even-record-death-toll-may-hide-extent-of-india-s-covid-crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-22/even-reco... ncbi: 'Underreporting COVID-19: the curious case of the Indian subcontinent' - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508490/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508490/ There are local regional(state) media trying to count the uncounted deaths like these - BBC report on that: 'India's Covid crisis: The newsroom counting the uncounted deaths' - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086 . I wonder whether Our World In Data would accept these data, If so it would be worth a PR then again its just the data of a state.

breck 5y ago

I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe. I have been tracking this since early February 2020. I think if you've recovered you can stop worrying about COVID, and I have seen nothing that makes me think the vaccine is worth it in the least if you've recovered. I would not worry about mutant strains either. It's a very genetically stable virus. Even though the numbers in India now are high, they are still significantly lower per capita than they were in the USA and UK last year. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~CAN~DEU~ITA~IND https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
>I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe. That's reassuring thank you. >Even though the numbers in India now are high, they are still significantly lower per capita than they were in the USA and UK last year. But there's consensus among the scientific community that it's being widely under-reported; At least 80-90% lesser than actual figures according to Dr. Ashish Jha dean of Brown University, School of Public Health[1]. P.S. Those who want to make a political comment for the above statement, I request you not to do so out of respect for the dead. I shared the information since we're discussing numbers and not for any political blame as Dr. Jha himself says. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_YPC-mQ5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_YPC-mQ5w
- breck 5y ago
  > But there's consensus among the scientific community that it's being widely under-reported Define consensus. I used to work at Our World in Data, so I am biased, but I would consider them the most trustworthy curator of data sources (for one, they are open source and open to pull requests). So while there indeed may be problems with the India data (and we were constantly switching to better sources as they appeared), I would trust their data sources more than any one person on YouTube.
  - Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
    > Define consensus. > I would trust their data sources more than any one person on YouTube Certainly not just a single person. I'm sure if you have a trusted news source, You might find an article on the subject like these - CNN: 'As Covid sweeps India, experts say cases and deaths are going unreported' - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/india/india-covid-underreporting-intl-hnk-dst/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/india/india-covid-underre... AP: 'Why number of COVID cases in India is exponentially higher than reported' - https://abc7chicago.com/india-covid-cases-coronavirus-case-count-underreported-in-vaccine/10569181/ https://abc7chicago.com/india-covid-cases-coronavirus-case-c... NYT: 'As Covid-19 Devastates India, Deaths Go Undercounted' - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavi... Sky news: 'COVID-19: India crematoriums 'underreporting bodies' as suspicion grows over true number of coronavirus deaths ' - https://news.sky.com/story/india-crematoriums-underreporting-bodies-as-suspicion-grows-over-true-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-12288828 https://news.sky.com/story/india-crematoriums-underreporting... Bloomberg: 'Even Record Death Toll May Hide Extent of India’s Covid Crisis' - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-22/even-record-death-toll-may-hide-extent-of-india-s-covid-crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-22/even-reco... ncbi: 'Underreporting COVID-19: the curious case of the Indian subcontinent' - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508490/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508490/ There are local regional(state) media trying to count the uncounted deaths like these - BBC report on that: 'India's Covid crisis: The newsroom counting the uncounted deaths' - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56969086 . I wonder whether Our World In Data would accept these data, If so it would be worth a PR then again its just the data of a state.