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But it's such a nonsense strategy, there is no way that this will provide eradication, covid is just too virulent and not deadly enough, it will remain in small

by Guthur 5y ago

But it's such a nonsense strategy, there is no way that this will provide eradication, covid is just too virulent and not deadly enough, it will remain in small pockets, remember there will be many countries that won't be able to afford this on going pharmaceutical tax. If it does provide protection vaccinate the at risk and be done.

Tade0 5y ago
The aim is to prevent the virus from clogging up the healthcare system. Countries which vaccinated all the citizens they could(e.g. Israel) already achieved that. One dose of the Pfizer vaccine costs €16, while AstraZeneca's is less than €3. This is affordable by any measure.
- Guthur 5y ago
  Astra is hard sell to people under 50, and is looking less effective against variants. The cost of Pfizer is a lot more than the per shot cost, you need highly specialised storage and distribution due to the low temperature requirements.
  - Tade0 5y ago
    Not true. People generally prefer Pfizer, but will take whatever just to be done with it. I had Astra, so did several people from my social circle. Hell, some took JJ being aware of its level of effectiveness. The vaccines need to be stored at a low temperature - that's it. I doubt it adds more than €1 to the price.
  - spicybright 5y ago
    You get refrigerated trucks, which are already common for food distribution, and essentially a fridge that can store a thousand doses and be re-used as new stock comes in. It's not a negligible cost but it's far from highly specialized.
  - navjack27 5y ago
    I'm in the US and I got my Pfizer shots at my local small hospital. They had storage because they have a pharmacy. Seems like an easy thing to just have, ya know. It was free to me. I'm 32. Was such an easy process to get. Big shrug
    - francis-io 5y ago
      This is speculation. Just because the process had been made as easy a possible for you does not mean it was easy to implement.
      - Tade0 5y ago
        I checked and the guidelines are as follows: Before mixing, the vaccine may be stored in an ultra-cold freezer between -80°C and -60°C (-112°F and -76°F). Vaccine may be stored until the expiration date. Before mixing, the vaccine may be stored in the freezer between -25°C and -15°C (-13°F to 5°F) for up to 2 weeks. The total time vials are stored at these temperatures should be tracked and should not exceed 2 weeks. So once they reach their destination they can be put in a normal freezer, which in turn are abundant and cheap.
majewsky 5y ago
> there is no way that this will provide eradication FWIW, it is not feasible to eradicate SARS-CoV-2 anyway since it can survive in certain types of animals as well. All the germs we eradicated thus far were limited to human hosts. (Source: A German podcast that interviews professors of virology every week.)

by Guthur 5y ago

Tade0 5y ago

The aim is to prevent the virus from clogging up the healthcare system. Countries which vaccinated all the citizens they could(e.g. Israel) already achieved that. One dose of the Pfizer vaccine costs €16, while AstraZeneca's is less than €3. This is affordable by any measure.

Guthur 5y ago
Astra is hard sell to people under 50, and is looking less effective against variants. The cost of Pfizer is a lot more than the per shot cost, you need highly specialised storage and distribution due to the low temperature requirements.
- Tade0 5y ago
  Not true. People generally prefer Pfizer, but will take whatever just to be done with it. I had Astra, so did several people from my social circle. Hell, some took JJ being aware of its level of effectiveness. The vaccines need to be stored at a low temperature - that's it. I doubt it adds more than €1 to the price.
- spicybright 5y ago
  You get refrigerated trucks, which are already common for food distribution, and essentially a fridge that can store a thousand doses and be re-used as new stock comes in. It's not a negligible cost but it's far from highly specialized.
- navjack27 5y ago
  I'm in the US and I got my Pfizer shots at my local small hospital. They had storage because they have a pharmacy. Seems like an easy thing to just have, ya know. It was free to me. I'm 32. Was such an easy process to get. Big shrug
  - francis-io 5y ago
    This is speculation. Just because the process had been made as easy a possible for you does not mean it was easy to implement.
    - Tade0 5y ago
      I checked and the guidelines are as follows: Before mixing, the vaccine may be stored in an ultra-cold freezer between -80°C and -60°C (-112°F and -76°F). Vaccine may be stored until the expiration date. Before mixing, the vaccine may be stored in the freezer between -25°C and -15°C (-13°F to 5°F) for up to 2 weeks. The total time vials are stored at these temperatures should be tracked and should not exceed 2 weeks. So once they reach their destination they can be put in a normal freezer, which in turn are abundant and cheap.

majewsky 5y ago

> there is no way that this will provide eradication FWIW, it is not feasible to eradicate SARS-CoV-2 anyway since it can survive in certain types of animals as well. All the germs we eradicated thus far were limited to human hosts. (Source: A German podcast that interviews professors of virology every week.)