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I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative

by sjf 5y ago

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident. https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

chrisco255 5y ago
Yes, but as I understand it, the EU purports to be a proponent of human rights as well. Immigration to the U.S. is of course, a regulated activity. They can make you take a physical, pay a fee, inspect your background, call your mom and make sure you're a good person, etc, before accepting you as an immigrant. Sure. There's no limits to that, because there's no U.S. Constitutional protection for non-U.S. citizens and immigration can be stopped altogether if desired (assuming it's enforced).
- withinboredom 5y ago
  > There's no limits to that, because there's no U.S. Constitutional protection for non-U.S. citizens The fourteenth amendment plainly says “people” not citizens. There are others, but this is the most obvious one. > nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
- azinman2 5y ago
  I'm not sure why you're talking about immigrating to the EU when my understanding is the topic is simply traveling to the EU as a visitor.
unishark 5y ago
There is no universal right to immigrate to the US, or anywhere else generally, so immigrants can be subject to whatever requirements the local govt decides at any given time. The discussion here was about a supposed "free travel" zone where citizens of member countries are giving up much of their autonomy in return for travel and trade freedoms. But this kind of arguments are precisely the point when it comes to concern about precedents. It becomes less of a barrier to adding new rules just because the law already has vaguely similar rules.
- Closi 5y ago
  There is no universal right for citizens of one country to enter another country either, even within the EU (there have always been limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy and public health grounds).
  - unishark 5y ago
    Yes I do believe there is literally a right of free movement: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/glossary_search/right-free-movement_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/europe... All rights have limitations of course.
    - Closi 5y ago
      You are right - I should have qualified “even within the EU it is not without restriction”. https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457 https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457
account42 5y ago
Immigration is usually a much higher bar than travel.
johncearls 5y ago
Are any of those vaccines being distributed under an emergency use authorization without FDA approval?

by sjf 5y ago

chrisco255 5y ago

Yes, but as I understand it, the EU purports to be a proponent of human rights as well. Immigration to the U.S. is of course, a regulated activity. They can make you take a physical, pay a fee, inspect your background, call your mom and make sure you're a good person, etc, before accepting you as an immigrant. Sure. There's no limits to that, because there's no U.S. Constitutional protection for non-U.S. citizens and immigration can be stopped altogether if desired (assuming it's enforced).

withinboredom 5y ago
> There's no limits to that, because there's no U.S. Constitutional protection for non-U.S. citizens The fourteenth amendment plainly says “people” not citizens. There are others, but this is the most obvious one. > nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
azinman2 5y ago
I'm not sure why you're talking about immigrating to the EU when my understanding is the topic is simply traveling to the EU as a visitor.

unishark 5y ago

There is no universal right to immigrate to the US, or anywhere else generally, so immigrants can be subject to whatever requirements the local govt decides at any given time. The discussion here was about a supposed "free travel" zone where citizens of member countries are giving up much of their autonomy in return for travel and trade freedoms. But this kind of arguments are precisely the point when it comes to concern about precedents. It becomes less of a barrier to adding new rules just because the law already has vaguely similar rules.

Closi 5y ago
There is no universal right for citizens of one country to enter another country either, even within the EU (there have always been limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy and public health grounds).
- unishark 5y ago
  Yes I do believe there is literally a right of free movement: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/glossary_search/right-free-movement_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/europe... All rights have limitations of course.
  - Closi 5y ago
    You are right - I should have qualified “even within the EU it is not without restriction”. https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457 https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457

account42 5y ago

Immigration is usually a much higher bar than travel.

johncearls 5y ago

Are any of those vaccines being distributed under an emergency use authorization without FDA approval?