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No other ally has enemies on the border who think it’s appropriate to launch hundreds of rockets indiscriminately into civilian centers as a form of protest. E

by vxNsr 5y ago

No other ally has enemies on the border who think it’s appropriate to launch hundreds of rockets indiscriminately into civilian centers as a form of protest. ETA: I’m not sure how this is controversial, over 700 rockets have been launched without any specific target in mind aside from “Israel” in the last day. Random ppl have been killed including an Israeli Arab family. What was Israel’s response? A bunch of targeted strikes that took out Hamas leadership and no one else and a few knock&demolish missions (basically if the IDF thinks a building is being used as a hamas HQ but it’s full of civilians they drop a blank on it to warn everyone to get out usually they also drop leaflets saying get out now then a few minutes later they drop the real bomb. So basically there’s enough time for everyone to get out and away but not really enough time for the hamas operatives to save anything. Also it sends a very clear message: don’t harbor terrorists in your midst as you might end up losing your office or home.)

sofixa 5y ago
> What was Israel’s response? > A bunch of targeted strikes that took out Hamas leadership and no one else https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/gaza-israel-bombing-air-strikes/2021/05/11/ce0b3a58-b258-11eb-bc96-fdf55de43bef_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/gaza-israel... That's why what you're saying is controversial, it's factually incorrect. Israeli airstrikes this week have resulted in the death of at least 10 children. And considering all the recent violence started with Israeli actions ( expulsion and illegal resettlement, restrictions on religious gatherings around probably the holiest of Muslim religious times, and very violent responses by police when there were protests against those things), it's hard to accept your one-sided argument. Hamas should stop indiscriminately targeting Israeli civilians, but it's not like they have much choice - what else could they possibly do? Nothing? Obviously that's not in their interests, and diplomacy has gotten them nowhere. Israel should stop illegally occupying and settling Palestinian land, and they easily could do. The whole situation is fucked and there's no solution in sight, the situation and leaders have to drastically change for there to be a chance of a peach long term solution.
- vxNsr 5y ago
  > Obviously that's not in their interests, and diplomacy has gotten them nowhere. At no point has Hamas tried diplomacy. But you’ve just shown your true colors you’re ok with Hamas indiscriminately firing on civilians bec “what else can they do” but when Israel performs targeted strikes against Hamas, and Hamas intentionally puts children in harms way it’s somehow Israel’s fault. There was nothing illegal about the resettlement, if you don’t have legal permission to live somewhere you’re gonna get evicted eventually. How is it illegal to restrict gatherings? We’ve been doing that for the last year plus! For the last three months I’ve seen daily reports of violent and sometimes deadly attacks against Jews just for walking around. It’s not like one dude punching another in the back of the head (like what’s happening in NY) it’s groups of Arabs seeking out a lone Jew and then attacking him/her. This has been happening multiple times a day for the last 3 months... you’re pretty screwed up if you think that’s ok and shouldn’t warrant a response. If Hamas wants to fight with honor, nothing is stopping them. They instead choose the cowardly route, hiding behind their wives, elderly, and children. You also need to ask yourself, what is Hamas’s goal here: their charter very clearly spells it out: “total destruction of Israel.” Considering the way they treated Fatah when Hamas won the election I don’t think it’s too far to say that if Hamas somehow was given power over any part of Israel there would immediately be a small scale genocide. Additionally, that article is incredibly biased, acting as if the people in Gaza have no agency, this is a dangerous and false assumption, if they don’t want Hamas using their homes as military bases they can stop them, or better yet foment an insurrection and place in power people who want peace. But of course most in Gaza don’t want peace they like trying to kill Jews for sport and are entirely fine paying with their lives when it comes to it bec they believe in the cause. The article also entirely ignores the larger context around what’s happening and strongly implies that Israel started this and is acting unfairly, when as we’ve seen in all the other recent conflicts in other parts of the world, couldn’t be further from the truth. No other military spends as much time worrying about civilian casualties as the IDF, no one else bends over backwards to warn non-combatants of impending danger, so much so that they often end up warning the terrorists as well, your hatred for Jews is showing loud and clear here and you might want to consider the double standard you hold Jews to before you reply. Hamas doesn’t have the technological and military prowess of China that makes it nearly impossible to overthrow them, in any given month there are as many as 10 different terrorist “gangs” operating in the region. It’s entirely plausible to suggest that if people really were dissatisfied with Hamas they could fairly easily get a change of leadership.

by vxNsr 5y ago

sofixa 5y ago

> What was Israel’s response? > A bunch of targeted strikes that took out Hamas leadership and no one else https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/gaza-israel-bombing-air-strikes/2021/05/11/ce0b3a58-b258-11eb-bc96-fdf55de43bef_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/gaza-israel... That's why what you're saying is controversial, it's factually incorrect. Israeli airstrikes this week have resulted in the death of at least 10 children. And considering all the recent violence started with Israeli actions ( expulsion and illegal resettlement, restrictions on religious gatherings around probably the holiest of Muslim religious times, and very violent responses by police when there were protests against those things), it's hard to accept your one-sided argument. Hamas should stop indiscriminately targeting Israeli civilians, but it's not like they have much choice - what else could they possibly do? Nothing? Obviously that's not in their interests, and diplomacy has gotten them nowhere. Israel should stop illegally occupying and settling Palestinian land, and they easily could do. The whole situation is fucked and there's no solution in sight, the situation and leaders have to drastically change for there to be a chance of a peach long term solution.

vxNsr 5y ago
> Obviously that's not in their interests, and diplomacy has gotten them nowhere. At no point has Hamas tried diplomacy. But you’ve just shown your true colors you’re ok with Hamas indiscriminately firing on civilians bec “what else can they do” but when Israel performs targeted strikes against Hamas, and Hamas intentionally puts children in harms way it’s somehow Israel’s fault. There was nothing illegal about the resettlement, if you don’t have legal permission to live somewhere you’re gonna get evicted eventually. How is it illegal to restrict gatherings? We’ve been doing that for the last year plus! For the last three months I’ve seen daily reports of violent and sometimes deadly attacks against Jews just for walking around. It’s not like one dude punching another in the back of the head (like what’s happening in NY) it’s groups of Arabs seeking out a lone Jew and then attacking him/her. This has been happening multiple times a day for the last 3 months... you’re pretty screwed up if you think that’s ok and shouldn’t warrant a response. If Hamas wants to fight with honor, nothing is stopping them. They instead choose the cowardly route, hiding behind their wives, elderly, and children. You also need to ask yourself, what is Hamas’s goal here: their charter very clearly spells it out: “total destruction of Israel.” Considering the way they treated Fatah when Hamas won the election I don’t think it’s too far to say that if Hamas somehow was given power over any part of Israel there would immediately be a small scale genocide. Additionally, that article is incredibly biased, acting as if the people in Gaza have no agency, this is a dangerous and false assumption, if they don’t want Hamas using their homes as military bases they can stop them, or better yet foment an insurrection and place in power people who want peace. But of course most in Gaza don’t want peace they like trying to kill Jews for sport and are entirely fine paying with their lives when it comes to it bec they believe in the cause. The article also entirely ignores the larger context around what’s happening and strongly implies that Israel started this and is acting unfairly, when as we’ve seen in all the other recent conflicts in other parts of the world, couldn’t be further from the truth. No other military spends as much time worrying about civilian casualties as the IDF, no one else bends over backwards to warn non-combatants of impending danger, so much so that they often end up warning the terrorists as well, your hatred for Jews is showing loud and clear here and you might want to consider the double standard you hold Jews to before you reply. Hamas doesn’t have the technological and military prowess of China that makes it nearly impossible to overthrow them, in any given month there are as many as 10 different terrorist “gangs” operating in the region. It’s entirely plausible to suggest that if people really were dissatisfied with Hamas they could fairly easily get a change of leadership.