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Java is nice because it's nearly trivial to get native look and feel.

by cosmotic 5y ago

ajfjrbfbf 5y ago
Is that sarcasm? Didn't seem very straightforward last time I checked.
- cosmotic 5y ago
  Not sarcasm; ignoring the surrounding try catch block, it's one line of code.
  - shock 5y ago
    Most people don't know about LAFs.
    - cosmotic 5y ago
      A travesty, really
samatman 5y ago
I'm not quite going to downvote you for this, just share my observation that I have never, once, used a Java app which has what I would consider a "native look and feel" for macOS. Better than Electron? Sure. But native? Not even close. Perhaps it's different on other platforms; I wouldn't know.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Because the lazy devs haven't read books like this, http://filthyrichclients.org/ http://filthyrichclients.org/ Or willng to shell out money to frameworks like this, http://www.jgoodies.com/ http://www.jgoodies.com/
  - samatman 5y ago
    Well I'm not a desktop Java developer anymore (thank the Gods) so I'll just take your word for it. On a practical level, is there some example of a Java app which I could download and try out for native look and feel? See if my custom menu items show up, if I can drag a document window bar icon onto another application, basic stuff like that?
- cosmotic 5y ago
  IDEA and related products are written in java and look and feel native to some degree. CyberDuck is java. Most developers don't know its so so easy to just toggle the look and feel to be native. A lot of app designers decide non-native even when it's native code, see adobe products.
gmiller123456 5y ago
Can you supply an example? I gave up on Java GUI over 20 years ago because it looked horrible.
- suyash 5y ago
  Look up modern JavaFX apps, easy to skin with css.
  - frou_dh 5y ago
    JavaFX's text rendering is busted on macOS since Mojave in 2018: https://github.com/javafxports/openjdk-jfx/issues/229#issuecomment-628699874 https://github.com/javafxports/openjdk-jfx/issues/229#issuec... So I give it an 'F' for the "look" part of look-n-feel.
    - cosmotic 5y ago
      I don't consider JavaFX a viable option. No native look and feel means automatic disqualification.
- cosmotic 5y ago
  You were probably Doing It Wrong. The default L&F is not good, but its one line of code to select the native L&F. I commented on another post with a few example above.

Java is nice because it's nearly trivial to get native look and feel.

ajfjrbfbf 5y ago

Is that sarcasm? Didn't seem very straightforward last time I checked.

cosmotic 5y ago
Not sarcasm; ignoring the surrounding try catch block, it's one line of code.
- shock 5y ago
  Most people don't know about LAFs.
  - cosmotic 5y ago
    A travesty, really

samatman 5y ago

I'm not quite going to downvote you for this, just share my observation that I have never, once, used a Java app which has what I would consider a "native look and feel" for macOS. Better than Electron? Sure. But native? Not even close. Perhaps it's different on other platforms; I wouldn't know.

pjmlp 5y ago
Because the lazy devs haven't read books like this, http://filthyrichclients.org/ http://filthyrichclients.org/ Or willng to shell out money to frameworks like this, http://www.jgoodies.com/ http://www.jgoodies.com/
- samatman 5y ago
  Well I'm not a desktop Java developer anymore (thank the Gods) so I'll just take your word for it. On a practical level, is there some example of a Java app which I could download and try out for native look and feel? See if my custom menu items show up, if I can drag a document window bar icon onto another application, basic stuff like that?
cosmotic 5y ago
IDEA and related products are written in java and look and feel native to some degree. CyberDuck is java. Most developers don't know its so so easy to just toggle the look and feel to be native. A lot of app designers decide non-native even when it's native code, see adobe products.

gmiller123456 5y ago

Can you supply an example? I gave up on Java GUI over 20 years ago because it looked horrible.

suyash 5y ago
Look up modern JavaFX apps, easy to skin with css.
- frou_dh 5y ago
  JavaFX's text rendering is busted on macOS since Mojave in 2018: https://github.com/javafxports/openjdk-jfx/issues/229#issuecomment-628699874 https://github.com/javafxports/openjdk-jfx/issues/229#issuec... So I give it an 'F' for the "look" part of look-n-feel.
  - cosmotic 5y ago
    I don't consider JavaFX a viable option. No native look and feel means automatic disqualification.
cosmotic 5y ago
You were probably Doing It Wrong. The default L&F is not good, but its one line of code to select the native L&F. I commented on another post with a few example above.