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I always wonder how this sort of situation can happen. I kind of can understand it a little bit within a family, but how do you ask a friend if you can track th

I always wonder how this sort of situation can happen. I kind of can understand it a little bit within a family, but how do you ask a friend if you can track them 24/7 without sounding like a giant creep? At least here in Germany I would imagine that the only answer to a question like that would be "do you want to resurrect the stasi?". > It's more useful to know when someone is X minutes away Usually a quick message is enough for something like this.

yoz-y 5y ago
A thing I and some friends do is use the “share location for 1 hour” before we meet.
LolWolf 5y ago
I have several friends on Find My; it's just much easier when someone is driving or biking than texting them/knowing if they got home safely. Plus, who cares if my good friend knows where I am at any time? If I didn't want them to, I'd just disable the location. Imo, nobody is looking at my location constantly, and the convenience is worth it. This isn't to say I'd allow this with anyone, or that everyone should do this—far from it—but it's a convenient tradeoff in this case, at least, for my friends.
- VonGallifrey 5y ago
  > Plus, who cares if my good friend knows where I am at any time? I would guess that my father would have also said "who cares" if his best friend knew where he was at all times. Until he found out that his "best friend" did detailed reports on him to the stasi for Years. You never know with these kind of things. Giving up your privacy for the tiny convenience of not needing to spend 5 seconds to write a message after you arrived home sounds insane to me. > If I didn't want them to, I'd just disable the location. Why is that the logic you apply here? It could easily be applied the other way around: If I want them to know, then I can enable it temporarily. Doesn't that make much more sense than the opposite?
  - thujlife 5y ago
    Nowadays people carry thier cell phone with them at all times, so whats your point?
    - VonGallifrey 5y ago
      Yes, they do, but they don't usually share their location to other people 24/7. What would be the point of that?
      - ascar 5y ago
        Carrying around your phone is sharing your location with your cellphone provider and thus the government. The stasi analogy doesn't make a lot of sense anymore at that point. Speaking as a fellow German, I would never share that info with friends, but using that feature with my SO or future kids, sure. Not to spy on them, but e.g. to know they're safe when I expected them to be home already.
        VonGallifrey 5y ago
        Which is why you decide to just say "fuck it" and share your information with even more people? Did I understand you point right? There are much more dangers than just the government even if I chose to use the stasi as an example. I just thought that it makes for a good example where you can know a person for years and still get betrayed by them. To your edit: Especially using this with kids (probably pressured to do so) is icky. You can claim that you are not spying on them, but you are. Maybe for their safety, but safety is often used to remove rights like this. You still spy on them.
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        I don’t see anything wrong with giving an air tag to a child who doesn’t have their own phone. Even if you think modern parents are overprotective (and I do), there’s nothing constricting about giving your child a small trinket that lets you see their location. It’s a small bit of extra security for everyone involved. I remember my cousin and I got lost in Disneyland once, because we both somehow forgot where the meeting spot was. We didn’t have phones, and we were, of course, fine—truth be told, Disneyland is probably among the safest places to get lost. But it would have been nice if we’d had a tracker that could just tell Dad where we were.
prh8 5y ago
There's also the opposite scenario, willingly sharing location. This is pretty reasonable for a few reasons, but thinking of some for my female best friend: - Going on a date - While out running - Going to a bar Plenty of other things too but those come to mind first
- VonGallifrey 5y ago
  I am not against location sharing for limited amounts of time. It could be reasonable to do, but for that you don't need to share your location 24/7 as some people here imply.
  - prh8 5y ago
    Do it enough and it's just easier to leave it on. Especially for females.
- Johnny555 5y ago
  My wife likes sharing her phone's location with me full-time just in case she's ever in trouble, I'll know where to look for her. I, in turn, share my location with her. She's not very specific about what kind of "trouble" she's expecting, but it makes her more comfortable knowing that I know where she is. It also comes in handy if, for example, she goes to the store and I realized I forgot something and want to see if she's still there so she can pick it up. Or when she wants to know how soon I'll be home so she knows when to start dinner (my bike ride from work is around an hour)
TaylorAlexander 5y ago
I have some very close female friends that sometimes go on dates with new people. They gave me the ability to see where they are so if I don’t hear from them I could find them.
Johnny555 5y ago
I kind of can understand it a little bit within a family, but how do you ask a friend if you can track them 24/7 without sounding like a giant creep? My dog has a "Whistle" GPS tracker on her collar. Friends have no problem with it when they watch her even though they know what it is and that it can track them every time they take the dog out. They even keep it charged.
- VonGallifrey 5y ago
  You are tracking your dog and not your friends though. That is a little bit of a different context to what the comment above claimed.
  - Johnny555 5y ago
    This is the thread I'm replying to: "Curious, do you find an Airtag on your dog's leash to be effective?" "It's just to see what they're doing with her" "If I do you the favor of watching your dog, I'm going to be pissed if you're spying on me during the process." "but how do you ask a friend if you can track them 24/7 without sounding like a giant creep?" So it's not clear how a GPS tracker on the dog's collar is different than an air-tag on the leash?
    - VonGallifrey 5y ago
      You skipped over the Comment I replied to which contains the following: > We're all on each others' Find My Friends, and have no problem knowing who is where. I even have non-blood-related friends on there, as do some of my other family members. Along with a lot of replies that try to explain how constant surveillance of their friends is fine. You tracking your dog and incidentally tracking a friend while they are walking said dog is completely different then tracking your friends 24/7 via their iPhone. It does not make a difference if you track your dog with a GPS tracker or AirTag, but it is fundamentally different than what the comment was about.
      - Johnny555 5y ago
JCharante 5y ago
Google maps has a similar feature. It's similar to snapchat's map feature so many younger people don't think it's too too odd, except this updates in the background instead of whenever you open Snapchat. I just decide to share with close friends, they get a notification about it, and if they feel like it they can press a button to share back. I'm not worried that these close friends will utilize this information to rob me when I'm at work or to kidnap me but it's certainly an unnecessary vulnerability.
- VonGallifrey 5y ago
  > but it's certainly an unnecessary vulnerability. Why do it then? In another comment I shared that even people you consider best friends for years could betray your trust and even if we take that possibility away there is still the question of how secure that data is in their hands. Are they going to leak it inadvertently? Can someone else gain access to their systems and spy on you through them? > many younger people don't think it's too too odd Don't you think that is bad? People are just getting used to loosing their rights for minor "convenience". Not to mention that getting used to constant surveillance isn't great either.

yoz-y 5y ago

A thing I and some friends do is use the “share location for 1 hour” before we meet.

LolWolf 5y ago

I have several friends on Find My; it's just much easier when someone is driving or biking than texting them/knowing if they got home safely. Plus, who cares if my good friend knows where I am at any time? If I didn't want them to, I'd just disable the location. Imo, nobody is looking at my location constantly, and the convenience is worth it. This isn't to say I'd allow this with anyone, or that everyone should do this—far from it—but it's a convenient tradeoff in this case, at least, for my friends.

VonGallifrey 5y ago
> Plus, who cares if my good friend knows where I am at any time? I would guess that my father would have also said "who cares" if his best friend knew where he was at all times. Until he found out that his "best friend" did detailed reports on him to the stasi for Years. You never know with these kind of things. Giving up your privacy for the tiny convenience of not needing to spend 5 seconds to write a message after you arrived home sounds insane to me. > If I didn't want them to, I'd just disable the location. Why is that the logic you apply here? It could easily be applied the other way around: If I want them to know, then I can enable it temporarily. Doesn't that make much more sense than the opposite?
- thujlife 5y ago
  Nowadays people carry thier cell phone with them at all times, so whats your point?
  - VonGallifrey 5y ago
    Yes, they do, but they don't usually share their location to other people 24/7. What would be the point of that?
    - ascar 5y ago
      Carrying around your phone is sharing your location with your cellphone provider and thus the government. The stasi analogy doesn't make a lot of sense anymore at that point. Speaking as a fellow German, I would never share that info with friends, but using that feature with my SO or future kids, sure. Not to spy on them, but e.g. to know they're safe when I expected them to be home already.
      - VonGallifrey 5y ago
        Which is why you decide to just say "fuck it" and share your information with even more people? Did I understand you point right? There are much more dangers than just the government even if I chose to use the stasi as an example. I just thought that it makes for a good example where you can know a person for years and still get betrayed by them. To your edit: Especially using this with kids (probably pressured to do so) is icky. You can claim that you are not spying on them, but you are. Maybe for their safety, but safety is often used to remove rights like this. You still spy on them.
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        I don’t see anything wrong with giving an air tag to a child who doesn’t have their own phone. Even if you think modern parents are overprotective (and I do), there’s nothing constricting about giving your child a small trinket that lets you see their location. It’s a small bit of extra security for everyone involved. I remember my cousin and I got lost in Disneyland once, because we both somehow forgot where the meeting spot was. We didn’t have phones, and we were, of course, fine—truth be told, Disneyland is probably among the safest places to get lost. But it would have been nice if we’d had a tracker that could just tell Dad where we were.

prh8 5y ago

There's also the opposite scenario, willingly sharing location. This is pretty reasonable for a few reasons, but thinking of some for my female best friend: - Going on a date - While out running - Going to a bar Plenty of other things too but those come to mind first

VonGallifrey 5y ago
I am not against location sharing for limited amounts of time. It could be reasonable to do, but for that you don't need to share your location 24/7 as some people here imply.
- prh8 5y ago
  Do it enough and it's just easier to leave it on. Especially for females.
Johnny555 5y ago
My wife likes sharing her phone's location with me full-time just in case she's ever in trouble, I'll know where to look for her. I, in turn, share my location with her. She's not very specific about what kind of "trouble" she's expecting, but it makes her more comfortable knowing that I know where she is. It also comes in handy if, for example, she goes to the store and I realized I forgot something and want to see if she's still there so she can pick it up. Or when she wants to know how soon I'll be home so she knows when to start dinner (my bike ride from work is around an hour)

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

I have some very close female friends that sometimes go on dates with new people. They gave me the ability to see where they are so if I don’t hear from them I could find them.

Johnny555 5y ago

I kind of can understand it a little bit within a family, but how do you ask a friend if you can track them 24/7 without sounding like a giant creep? My dog has a "Whistle" GPS tracker on her collar. Friends have no problem with it when they watch her even though they know what it is and that it can track them every time they take the dog out. They even keep it charged.

VonGallifrey 5y ago
You are tracking your dog and not your friends though. That is a little bit of a different context to what the comment above claimed.
- Johnny555 5y ago
  This is the thread I'm replying to: "Curious, do you find an Airtag on your dog's leash to be effective?" "It's just to see what they're doing with her" "If I do you the favor of watching your dog, I'm going to be pissed if you're spying on me during the process." "but how do you ask a friend if you can track them 24/7 without sounding like a giant creep?" So it's not clear how a GPS tracker on the dog's collar is different than an air-tag on the leash?
  - VonGallifrey 5y ago
    You skipped over the Comment I replied to which contains the following: > We're all on each others' Find My Friends, and have no problem knowing who is where. I even have non-blood-related friends on there, as do some of my other family members. Along with a lot of replies that try to explain how constant surveillance of their friends is fine. You tracking your dog and incidentally tracking a friend while they are walking said dog is completely different then tracking your friends 24/7 via their iPhone. It does not make a difference if you track your dog with a GPS tracker or AirTag, but it is fundamentally different than what the comment was about.
    - Johnny555 5y ago

JCharante 5y ago

Google maps has a similar feature. It's similar to snapchat's map feature so many younger people don't think it's too too odd, except this updates in the background instead of whenever you open Snapchat. I just decide to share with close friends, they get a notification about it, and if they feel like it they can press a button to share back. I'm not worried that these close friends will utilize this information to rob me when I'm at work or to kidnap me but it's certainly an unnecessary vulnerability.

VonGallifrey 5y ago
> but it's certainly an unnecessary vulnerability. Why do it then? In another comment I shared that even people you consider best friends for years could betray your trust and even if we take that possibility away there is still the question of how secure that data is in their hands. Are they going to leak it inadvertently? Can someone else gain access to their systems and spy on you through them? > many younger people don't think it's too too odd Don't you think that is bad? People are just getting used to loosing their rights for minor "convenience". Not to mention that getting used to constant surveillance isn't great either.