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> Or is it the airtag functionality specifically that’s bothering you? Yes. What does find my phone have to do with airtags?

jackson1442 5y ago
You can still have traditional Find My- the one where your phone connects and tells Apple where its GPS is. This switch is specifically for the networking, which allows other devices to help out when your phone is dead or otherwise not connected to the internet/gps.
- darkarmani 5y ago
  But i wouldn't mind helping people find their phones, but i would want to opt out of airtags. I'm not mooching because i don't have any airtags.
  - wfme 5y ago
    If it has no impact on you, why would you want to opt out of the airtag tracking?
    - exporectomy 5y ago
      If you were known to be the only person who frequents an area, then an adversary's Airtag planted there getting updated would notify them that you were present.
      - eknkc 5y ago
        In this extremely specific case where people are planting airtags to track you, you can simply disable the feature as the parent mentions.
      - fastball 5y ago
        Are ya'll trying to invent the dumbest sounding scenarios or is that inadvertent?
  - intev 5y ago
    "I don't use that freeway so I don't want to pay for the maintenance" Either you use the roads and pay for all the roads or you don't.
    - darkarmani 5y ago
      That's a terrible analogy. I don't allow android devices to use my "ios roads" as it is. Why does it matter if i don't want airtags to mooch off my network? It's not like airtags are providing their share of network back to me.
irae 5y ago
It is a network effect. Because people buy and use AirTags, they turn on their FindMy, which in turn benefits you when you want someone to find your own iPhone. Everyone interested in finding their lost or stolen iPhone already turned it on. AirTags will bring up another small percentage of people. The sum of everything available to you, means you have this small price to pay to be part of it: contributing to finding stuff for others.
- 0x10c0fe11ce 5y ago
  There’s no such a thing as small price to pay attached to privacy. You either have it or you don’t.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    What privacy are you losing by enabling the Find My Network? The specs are here: https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1902/en_US/apple-platform-security-guide.pdf https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1902/en_US/app... Page 139 onwards. If you can find a security/privacy hole in the spec, I think Apple will compensate you pretty well.
    - 0x10c0fe11ce 5y ago
      Thanks for your link, but I will start here -> https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.02282 https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.02282
      - theshrike79 5y ago
        > While we find that OF's design achieves its privacy goals, we discover two distinct design and implementation flaws that can lead to a location correlation attack and unauthorized access to the location history of the past seven days, which could deanonymize users. Apple has partially addressed the issues following our responsible disclosure. Finally, we make our research artifacts publicly available. Not something a regular dude off the street will be doing any time soon. =)
  - 5y ago

jackson1442 5y ago

You can still have traditional Find My- the one where your phone connects and tells Apple where its GPS is. This switch is specifically for the networking, which allows other devices to help out when your phone is dead or otherwise not connected to the internet/gps.

darkarmani 5y ago
But i wouldn't mind helping people find their phones, but i would want to opt out of airtags. I'm not mooching because i don't have any airtags.
- wfme 5y ago
  If it has no impact on you, why would you want to opt out of the airtag tracking?
  - exporectomy 5y ago
    If you were known to be the only person who frequents an area, then an adversary's Airtag planted there getting updated would notify them that you were present.
    - eknkc 5y ago
      In this extremely specific case where people are planting airtags to track you, you can simply disable the feature as the parent mentions.
    - fastball 5y ago
      Are ya'll trying to invent the dumbest sounding scenarios or is that inadvertent?
- intev 5y ago
  "I don't use that freeway so I don't want to pay for the maintenance" Either you use the roads and pay for all the roads or you don't.
  - darkarmani 5y ago
    That's a terrible analogy. I don't allow android devices to use my "ios roads" as it is. Why does it matter if i don't want airtags to mooch off my network? It's not like airtags are providing their share of network back to me.

irae 5y ago

It is a network effect. Because people buy and use AirTags, they turn on their FindMy, which in turn benefits you when you want someone to find your own iPhone. Everyone interested in finding their lost or stolen iPhone already turned it on. AirTags will bring up another small percentage of people. The sum of everything available to you, means you have this small price to pay to be part of it: contributing to finding stuff for others.

0x10c0fe11ce 5y ago
There’s no such a thing as small price to pay attached to privacy. You either have it or you don’t.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  What privacy are you losing by enabling the Find My Network? The specs are here: https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1902/en_US/apple-platform-security-guide.pdf https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1902/en_US/app... Page 139 onwards. If you can find a security/privacy hole in the spec, I think Apple will compensate you pretty well.
  - 0x10c0fe11ce 5y ago
    Thanks for your link, but I will start here -> https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.02282 https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.02282
    - theshrike79 5y ago
      > While we find that OF's design achieves its privacy goals, we discover two distinct design and implementation flaws that can lead to a location correlation attack and unauthorized access to the location history of the past seven days, which could deanonymize users. Apple has partially addressed the issues following our responsible disclosure. Finally, we make our research artifacts publicly available. Not something a regular dude off the street will be doing any time soon. =)
- 5y ago