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> For those who can afford it, quitting has become the ultimate form of self-care. It makes for a good title, and it is true. If you think about it, it has alw

by Hoasi 5y ago

> For those who can afford it, quitting has become the ultimate form of self-care. It makes for a good title, and it is true. If you think about it, it has always been the case. If you can afford not to, why would you work for the man, right?

m0llusk 5y ago
Work can be rewarding and profitable. Being part of a skillful team that accomplishes meaningful goals can be a fun and personally enriching experience.
- chadcmulligan 5y ago
  A workplace like this has become harder and harder to find over the years, in my experience. The measuring and routinisation of everything you do sucks the life out of jobs, imho. Even programming, which used to be such a creative experience now is do Jira, do next Jira, how fast are you doing the Jira's. Edit: For example, first job I just looked at "You are: Hungry, humble and smart..." What other profession says nonsense like this, imagine saying this to a doctor or accountant.
  - phobosanomaly 5y ago
    > What other profession says nonsense like this, imagine saying this to a doctor or accountant. Med students have to jump through an unimaginable number of hoops to prove that they will put up with anything because they are supposed to be hungry to save the world, humble in the face of nature, and smart enough to get a top percentile on a never-ending series of standardized admission and licensing exams. By the time they're actually working in the field, it's: Did you fill out that insurance paperwork so the hospital can get reimbursed? Good, here's the next stack of paperwork to fill out so the hospital can get reimbursed ad infinitum. How fast are you seeing patients? Any more than 20 minutes is too long. We don't have staffing levels to support that. Nurses are over-ratio, but try not to kill anyone with a mistake.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      It is a strange job at leqst as a gp. What profession gets paided so much, given so much respect and than expected to work like a fast food cashier? This results in legally defensible treatment but not necessarily the treatment you really need. Hopefully the system can fix itself.
  - planet-and-halo 5y ago
    If you can find a shop that really, truly commits to XP/Agile/Lean/whatever, I recommend it. It's hard to find, but it is so much better and more productive than the JIRA ticket factories.
- balfirevic 5y ago
  Sounds like a great way to spend 10-20 hours a week. That's rarely on the table, though.
aidenn0 5y ago
It gives me a cover for my insecurities (I'm "bringing home the bacon" so I have something tangible I contribute) and a low-guilt escape from my family (I'm an introvert, but also have a nagging feeling I should spend more time with my wife and kids).
- critsysdev 5y ago
  Spend more time with them now. If you love them, don’t hide from them. As an introvert who would sometimes rather avoid the toll of socializing, I spent the first four years of my marriage unintentionally neglecting my wife and family because I saw people around me working 12 hour days and weekends to provide. So I did the same. The damage that “bringing home the bacon” mentality had on my ability to turn attention to the relationships I truly cherish is painful. I’m working past it now and looking for jobs with more PTO and after-hours support strategies that aren’t “quick, let’s call Bob” for every fire. I hope you never hit the point I had to to turn things around. One quote that really turned things around for me goes like this: > when you die, your coworkers will be upset for a time but your job will soon replace you. But the memory of your loss will be with your family forever.
derbOac 5y ago
It's interesting when you put it that way. I left a very nice position in a lot of ways because the organization changed, and went from "working with colleagues" to "some of my colleagues deciding they were going to be the man" and actually restructuring the organization to do that. The place went from being a good place to be -- not perfect but good -- to being completely pathological with lack of basic communication. I think the straw was actually that this was all affecting my spouses' career in a big way, and they were faced with turning down a really great opportunity for them. It was hard for me to say no, because I hated what this institution had turned into.

by Hoasi 5y ago

m0llusk 5y ago

Work can be rewarding and profitable. Being part of a skillful team that accomplishes meaningful goals can be a fun and personally enriching experience.

chadcmulligan 5y ago
A workplace like this has become harder and harder to find over the years, in my experience. The measuring and routinisation of everything you do sucks the life out of jobs, imho. Even programming, which used to be such a creative experience now is do Jira, do next Jira, how fast are you doing the Jira's. Edit: For example, first job I just looked at "You are: Hungry, humble and smart..." What other profession says nonsense like this, imagine saying this to a doctor or accountant.
- phobosanomaly 5y ago
  > What other profession says nonsense like this, imagine saying this to a doctor or accountant. Med students have to jump through an unimaginable number of hoops to prove that they will put up with anything because they are supposed to be hungry to save the world, humble in the face of nature, and smart enough to get a top percentile on a never-ending series of standardized admission and licensing exams. By the time they're actually working in the field, it's: Did you fill out that insurance paperwork so the hospital can get reimbursed? Good, here's the next stack of paperwork to fill out so the hospital can get reimbursed ad infinitum. How fast are you seeing patients? Any more than 20 minutes is too long. We don't have staffing levels to support that. Nurses are over-ratio, but try not to kill anyone with a mistake.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    It is a strange job at leqst as a gp. What profession gets paided so much, given so much respect and than expected to work like a fast food cashier? This results in legally defensible treatment but not necessarily the treatment you really need. Hopefully the system can fix itself.
- planet-and-halo 5y ago
  If you can find a shop that really, truly commits to XP/Agile/Lean/whatever, I recommend it. It's hard to find, but it is so much better and more productive than the JIRA ticket factories.
balfirevic 5y ago
Sounds like a great way to spend 10-20 hours a week. That's rarely on the table, though.

aidenn0 5y ago

It gives me a cover for my insecurities (I'm "bringing home the bacon" so I have something tangible I contribute) and a low-guilt escape from my family (I'm an introvert, but also have a nagging feeling I should spend more time with my wife and kids).

critsysdev 5y ago
Spend more time with them now. If you love them, don’t hide from them. As an introvert who would sometimes rather avoid the toll of socializing, I spent the first four years of my marriage unintentionally neglecting my wife and family because I saw people around me working 12 hour days and weekends to provide. So I did the same. The damage that “bringing home the bacon” mentality had on my ability to turn attention to the relationships I truly cherish is painful. I’m working past it now and looking for jobs with more PTO and after-hours support strategies that aren’t “quick, let’s call Bob” for every fire. I hope you never hit the point I had to to turn things around. One quote that really turned things around for me goes like this: > when you die, your coworkers will be upset for a time but your job will soon replace you. But the memory of your loss will be with your family forever.

derbOac 5y ago

It's interesting when you put it that way. I left a very nice position in a lot of ways because the organization changed, and went from "working with colleagues" to "some of my colleagues deciding they were going to be the man" and actually restructuring the organization to do that. The place went from being a good place to be -- not perfect but good -- to being completely pathological with lack of basic communication. I think the straw was actually that this was all affecting my spouses' career in a big way, and they were faced with turning down a really great opportunity for them. It was hard for me to say no, because I hated what this institution had turned into.