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> hope that is still the case I don't know why you'd care what it's written in, but for the reasons that I'd care (resource usage mostly) Java and Javascript a

> hope that is still the case I don't know why you'd care what it's written in, but for the reasons that I'd care (resource usage mostly) Java and Javascript are languages I'd hope it's not

globular-toast 5y ago
Java and Javascript are in no way related. Compared to an Electron app something written in Java is likely to be fast and RAM efficient. Java might have been slow in the 90s, but the world caught up and overtook it years ago.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  Yet that Arduino v1 IDE is everything but fast
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    Because it's not written in Java, it is written using Eclipse platform.
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      ..? Arduino 1 IDE is a fork of the Processing IDE which has nothing in common with eclipse afaik ?
    - ubidefeo 5y ago
      IDE 1.x.x is all Java IDE 2.x.x is Theia/Electron (Typescript)
cosmotic 5y ago
Java is nice because it's nearly trivial to get native look and feel.
- ajfjrbfbf 5y ago
  Is that sarcasm? Didn't seem very straightforward last time I checked.
  - cosmotic 5y ago
    Not sarcasm; ignoring the surrounding try catch block, it's one line of code.
    - shock 5y ago
      Most people don't know about LAFs.
      - cosmotic 5y ago
        A travesty, really
- samatman 5y ago
  I'm not quite going to downvote you for this, just share my observation that I have never, once, used a Java app which has what I would consider a "native look and feel" for macOS. Better than Electron? Sure. But native? Not even close. Perhaps it's different on other platforms; I wouldn't know.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Because the lazy devs haven't read books like this, http://filthyrichclients.org/ http://filthyrichclients.org/ Or willng to shell out money to frameworks like this, http://www.jgoodies.com/ http://www.jgoodies.com/
    - samatman 5y ago
      Well I'm not a desktop Java developer anymore (thank the Gods) so I'll just take your word for it. On a practical level, is there some example of a Java app which I could download and try out for native look and feel? See if my custom menu items show up, if I can drag a document window bar icon onto another application, basic stuff like that?

> hope that is still the case I don't know why you'd care what it's written in, but for the reasons that I'd care (resource usage mostly) Java and Javascript are languages I'd hope it's not

globular-toast 5y ago

Java and Javascript are in no way related. Compared to an Electron app something written in Java is likely to be fast and RAM efficient. Java might have been slow in the 90s, but the world caught up and overtook it years ago.

jcelerier 5y ago
Yet that Arduino v1 IDE is everything but fast
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  Because it's not written in Java, it is written using Eclipse platform.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    ..? Arduino 1 IDE is a fork of the Processing IDE which has nothing in common with eclipse afaik ?
  - ubidefeo 5y ago
    IDE 1.x.x is all Java IDE 2.x.x is Theia/Electron (Typescript)

cosmotic 5y ago

Java is nice because it's nearly trivial to get native look and feel.

ajfjrbfbf 5y ago
Is that sarcasm? Didn't seem very straightforward last time I checked.
- cosmotic 5y ago
  Not sarcasm; ignoring the surrounding try catch block, it's one line of code.
  - shock 5y ago
    Most people don't know about LAFs.
    - cosmotic 5y ago
      A travesty, really
samatman 5y ago
I'm not quite going to downvote you for this, just share my observation that I have never, once, used a Java app which has what I would consider a "native look and feel" for macOS. Better than Electron? Sure. But native? Not even close. Perhaps it's different on other platforms; I wouldn't know.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Because the lazy devs haven't read books like this, http://filthyrichclients.org/ http://filthyrichclients.org/ Or willng to shell out money to frameworks like this, http://www.jgoodies.com/ http://www.jgoodies.com/
  - samatman 5y ago
    Well I'm not a desktop Java developer anymore (thank the Gods) so I'll just take your word for it. On a practical level, is there some example of a Java app which I could download and try out for native look and feel? See if my custom menu items show up, if I can drag a document window bar icon onto another application, basic stuff like that?