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To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate: why haven't you been doing this already for the past 5 years?

by nzmsv 5y ago

closeparen 5y ago
Presumably because they feel it’s not worth the downsides of working remotely. Put another way: if they won’t do a remote workforce for a 66% discount, why would they go for it at a smaller discount?
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > Presumably because they feel it’s not worth the downsides of working remotely. I've worked remotely for several employers and clients, and they all seem to hire domestically. A few had stories about their experiences with hiring foreign remote workers, and they came to to the conclusions that doing so isn't always worth the labor discounts versus just hiring domestically. I don't think remote work is the issue here for workers in the US, because the same employers have no problem underpaying visa workers who live in the US that can't complain because getting fired means being deported.
  - closeparen 5y ago
    H1B is a higher wage and much more bureaucratic hassle than hiring the same workers in their home countries, suggesting again that the employer is strongly averse to remote.
jimbob45 5y ago
Because you get what you pay for in India.
- todd3834 5y ago
  You get what you pay for everywhere. You can definitely find high quality talent in India but it isn’t going to come at the “outsource to India” price people who have never done it think it will. Great talent is expensive regardless of where it is because the global market determines it more than the locale. That being said, I expect some discount to come with the challenge of differing time zones. Also depending on which country you are working with, speaking fluently and clearly is a huge factor too. India and the US have a vast range of low to extremely high talented people with varying communication skills. You get what you pay for (not an India thing)
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    You don't "get what you pay for" in that you can pay a lot and still get shit results but you can't pay shit and get good results.

To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate: why haven't you been doing this already for the past 5 years?

by nzmsv 5y ago

To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate: why haven't you been doing this already for the past 5 years?

Presumably because they feel it’s not worth the downsides of working remotely. Put another way: if they won’t do a remote workforce for a 66% discount, why would they go for it at a smaller discount?

heavyset_go 5y ago
> Presumably because they feel it’s not worth the downsides of working remotely. I've worked remotely for several employers and clients, and they all seem to hire domestically. A few had stories about their experiences with hiring foreign remote workers, and they came to to the conclusions that doing so isn't always worth the labor discounts versus just hiring domestically. I don't think remote work is the issue here for workers in the US, because the same employers have no problem underpaying visa workers who live in the US that can't complain because getting fired means being deported.
- closeparen 5y ago
  H1B is a higher wage and much more bureaucratic hassle than hiring the same workers in their home countries, suggesting again that the employer is strongly averse to remote.

jimbob45 5y ago

Because you get what you pay for in India.

todd3834 5y ago
You get what you pay for everywhere. You can definitely find high quality talent in India but it isn’t going to come at the “outsource to India” price people who have never done it think it will. Great talent is expensive regardless of where it is because the global market determines it more than the locale. That being said, I expect some discount to come with the challenge of differing time zones. Also depending on which country you are working with, speaking fluently and clearly is a huge factor too. India and the US have a vast range of low to extremely high talented people with varying communication skills. You get what you pay for (not an India thing)
- spoonjim 5y ago
  You don't "get what you pay for" in that you can pay a lot and still get shit results but you can't pay shit and get good results.