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I will be starting that conversation with my boss later this week. At the end of the day, I think the key thing is you need to be fully prepared to move on if n

I will be starting that conversation with my boss later this week. At the end of the day, I think the key thing is you need to be fully prepared to move on if negotiations fail and the current job doesn't deliver what you are after. For myself, I have enough buffer and leads that I am confident I can get somewhere fully remote or at least closer to home before the savings get uncomfortably low, and so that's my red line now - one way or another, I'm not doing the two-hour commute again, it's simply not worth it; I'd rather take a pay cut to keep the life I've become used to over lockdown. YMMV, but IMO if you're not prepared to move on and your boss senses this, the negotiation will end right there.

throw14082020 5y ago
Absolutely, people talk about mindset, and this is it. You should be prepared to walk away from a bad deal: going back into the office. However, don't reveal things like "youre willing to compromise on salary to work from home". I've made a lot of concessions when I really want something, and thinking back, I didn't need to in many cases. In fact, ask for a raise in the same conversation. Be mentally prepared to ask for more, because you have done a lot more this year working from home than you have working in the office.
- quickthrower2 5y ago
  Never offer to be paid less for X. Even a shorter work week. Let them say you get paid less first (they may not) and then counter. I’m mainly writing this comment for me later on :-) It’s simply the case not everyone wants to screw you down on cost. Don’t assume they will. If you have every purchased a Mac when a pc is cheaper (or similar buying the brand when generic is cheaper) or paid more for the pizza from the restaurant you love, you’ll know what I mean. In fact if the pizza place says “sorry delivery only due to COVID so pizzas are half price” I’d think “huh... what’s wrong with their pizza?”
  - tsukikage 5y ago
    I mean, to be clear, I'm not intending to explicitly offer to be paid less, but the reality is that jobs in my town pay rather less than jobs in the capital, and so if my fallback position is to quit my job in the capital for a job in the science park across the road, I need to privately plan for a pay cut.

throw14082020 5y ago

Absolutely, people talk about mindset, and this is it. You should be prepared to walk away from a bad deal: going back into the office. However, don't reveal things like "youre willing to compromise on salary to work from home". I've made a lot of concessions when I really want something, and thinking back, I didn't need to in many cases. In fact, ask for a raise in the same conversation. Be mentally prepared to ask for more, because you have done a lot more this year working from home than you have working in the office.

quickthrower2 5y ago
Never offer to be paid less for X. Even a shorter work week. Let them say you get paid less first (they may not) and then counter. I’m mainly writing this comment for me later on :-) It’s simply the case not everyone wants to screw you down on cost. Don’t assume they will. If you have every purchased a Mac when a pc is cheaper (or similar buying the brand when generic is cheaper) or paid more for the pizza from the restaurant you love, you’ll know what I mean. In fact if the pizza place says “sorry delivery only due to COVID so pizzas are half price” I’d think “huh... what’s wrong with their pizza?”
- tsukikage 5y ago
  I mean, to be clear, I'm not intending to explicitly offer to be paid less, but the reality is that jobs in my town pay rather less than jobs in the capital, and so if my fallback position is to quit my job in the capital for a job in the science park across the road, I need to privately plan for a pay cut.