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Stalking people who don't use iOS is fine though. It's a good thing they're not as important.

fastball 5y ago
The idea that AirTags are much of a step up from what a determined stalker is already using[1] to stalk people is a laughable one. [1] https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Trackers/b?node=617650011 https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Trackers/b?node=617650011
- shkkmo 5y ago
  Then why do they provide protections against being tracked by them only to iOS users?
  - samatman 5y ago
    How do you propose they extend this to other platforms?
    - jfoster 5y ago
      What would stop them from creating an Android app to notify users if an AirTag seems to be travelling with them?
      - samatman 5y ago
        They easily could, agreed. They even might? It's not unheard of for Apple to release software on other platforms, however uncommon it might be. It's certainly not the kind of thing they do right at the time of release. I don't imagine you'd get much penetration relative to running it on every device at the OS level, though. Probably rough on the battery running in userspace? It doesn't seem like it solves a problem most people are likely to have.
    - shkkmo 5y ago
      They didn't try at all. I wouldn't personally sell a device such as this as I believe it is very ethically grey unless you seriously consider mitigation measures that are available to everyone.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    They do provide as much protection as they possibly can to those who do not. The device will beep, and it works as an NFC tag to get information about what it is on non-iOS phones.
    - jfoster 5y ago
      Those measures don't sound like they'll be very effective if an AirTag is planted on the underside of a vehicle.
      - fastball 5y ago
        No offense, but this is lunacy. People are not going to use AirTags to more effectively stalk people than the existing GPS trackers on the market. GPS tracker would be much better in fact.
        jfoster 5y ago
        Every device has its own characteristics. AirTag: Very economical (no monthly fee), 1 year battery life, no line-of-sight required, easily purchased without attracting attention or providing an address, unguaranteed data freshness, size of a coin. GPS tracker: Monthly fees, 1 month battery life, line-of-sight required, slightly unusual thing to purchase & may be difficult to obtain without supplying an address, usually better data freshness, at least as big as a box of tic tacs. It's not that AirTags would always be ideal for stalking, but considering the ease of availability & use, it's definitely going to happen. The most interesting part is that Apple decided to release this product. It's only a matter of time until AirTags are linked to a case of stalking (whether the best device for it or not) and when that article gets written, it's simply not going to be aligned with the brand image they typically aim for.
        samatman 5y ago
        You forgot to mention: rats the stalker out immediately if the stalkee has an iOS device, or the first time someone with an iPhone hops in the car if they use Android. The latter isn't something under the stalker's control, it's just a really poor tool for that particular type of antisocial behavior. Plus it's tied to your Apple account, so we're talking about getting a fresh iPhone and ginning up an account, or leaking exactly who is doing the stalking. The number of people who will try it isn't zero, we don't live in that kind of world. I don't picture it going very well for them.
- isignal 5y ago
  GPS trackers with LTE radios have battery limitations. AirTags are only communicating with local iPhones so they can be smaller and last longer.
jaywalk 5y ago
Not a whole lot Apple can do about that. The fact that they built it into iOS shows the amount of thought that went into it.
theshrike79 5y ago
So was stalking people who don't have the Tile app installed fine then? Because they can be used in the exact same way.

The idea that AirTags are much of a step up from what a determined stalker is already using[1] to stalk people is a laughable one. [1] https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Trackers/b?node=617650011 https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Trackers/b?node=617650011

shkkmo 5y ago
Then why do they provide protections against being tracked by them only to iOS users?
- samatman 5y ago
  How do you propose they extend this to other platforms?
  - jfoster 5y ago
    What would stop them from creating an Android app to notify users if an AirTag seems to be travelling with them?
    - samatman 5y ago
      They easily could, agreed. They even might? It's not unheard of for Apple to release software on other platforms, however uncommon it might be. It's certainly not the kind of thing they do right at the time of release. I don't imagine you'd get much penetration relative to running it on every device at the OS level, though. Probably rough on the battery running in userspace? It doesn't seem like it solves a problem most people are likely to have.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    They didn't try at all. I wouldn't personally sell a device such as this as I believe it is very ethically grey unless you seriously consider mitigation measures that are available to everyone.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  They do provide as much protection as they possibly can to those who do not. The device will beep, and it works as an NFC tag to get information about what it is on non-iOS phones.
  - jfoster 5y ago
    Those measures don't sound like they'll be very effective if an AirTag is planted on the underside of a vehicle.
    - fastball 5y ago
      No offense, but this is lunacy. People are not going to use AirTags to more effectively stalk people than the existing GPS trackers on the market. GPS tracker would be much better in fact.
      - jfoster 5y ago
        Every device has its own characteristics. AirTag: Very economical (no monthly fee), 1 year battery life, no line-of-sight required, easily purchased without attracting attention or providing an address, unguaranteed data freshness, size of a coin. GPS tracker: Monthly fees, 1 month battery life, line-of-sight required, slightly unusual thing to purchase & may be difficult to obtain without supplying an address, usually better data freshness, at least as big as a box of tic tacs. It's not that AirTags would always be ideal for stalking, but considering the ease of availability & use, it's definitely going to happen. The most interesting part is that Apple decided to release this product. It's only a matter of time until AirTags are linked to a case of stalking (whether the best device for it or not) and when that article gets written, it's simply not going to be aligned with the brand image they typically aim for.
        samatman 5y ago
        You forgot to mention: rats the stalker out immediately if the stalkee has an iOS device, or the first time someone with an iPhone hops in the car if they use Android. The latter isn't something under the stalker's control, it's just a really poor tool for that particular type of antisocial behavior. Plus it's tied to your Apple account, so we're talking about getting a fresh iPhone and ginning up an account, or leaking exactly who is doing the stalking. The number of people who will try it isn't zero, we don't live in that kind of world. I don't picture it going very well for them.
isignal 5y ago
GPS trackers with LTE radios have battery limitations. AirTags are only communicating with local iPhones so they can be smaller and last longer.

jaywalk 5y ago

Not a whole lot Apple can do about that. The fact that they built it into iOS shows the amount of thought that went into it.

theshrike79 5y ago

So was stalking people who don't have the Tile app installed fine then? Because they can be used in the exact same way.