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As much as I dislike Trump, I can't say I'm very happy seeing censorship celebrated. Of course these private companies are allowed to do whatever they want, bu

by Dig1t 5y ago

As much as I dislike Trump, I can't say I'm very happy seeing censorship celebrated. Of course these private companies are allowed to do whatever they want, but silencing speech in what has effectively become a public forum doesn't help us treat the underlying cause of what caused Trump to become popular in the first place (IMHO the thing that we really need to address as a country).

oxguy3 5y ago
You break the rules; you suffer the consequences. He incited a riot; he lost his platform. Banning him doesn't fix our country, sure, but social media platforms enforcing a basic standard of conduct seems like a positive to me.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  >He incited a riot I wasn't aware of that. Do you have a source?
  - cmsj 5y ago
    If only sealions could use Google :(
    - moralestapia 5y ago
      I know how to use Google, but can't find a real source for that. Please share if you have any :)
      - cmsj 5y ago
        s/can't/don't want to/ FTFY
        moralestapia 5y ago
        I know what I wrote. Was it a tweet or something? A video? I honestly can't find it. If it's so easy for you just link me to the source and stop behaving like a child.
        cmsj 5y ago
        I'm stringing you along because I don't believe you are acting in good faith. You seriously didn't pay any attention to any news during the US election ratification process? You didn't pay any attention to the second impeachment of Trump that focused solely on this matter? You didn't listen to any of his speeches around the new year? You couldn't type "donald trump incite riot" into a search engine and sift through some of the 600,000+ results? Either you are very bad at Google and pay no attention to news, neither of which seems very likely given the website we're on, or you are sealioning. So, which is it?
        johnnyanmac 5y ago
        >Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. if I knew how to report comments on this site, I would even if I somewhat agree with this. I don't want this place becoming Reddit. With all due respect: I don't think it's productive on the internet (a worldwide mechanism) to assume everyone is American, and by extension in tune with American politics. Or heck, even a person constantly checking social media for news multiple times a day. Name calling while ignoring these factors doesn't make for civil discourse. Just take 5 seconds link to the wiki and then decide whether or not to disengage based on their response. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St...
        moralestapia 5y ago
        Thanks johnnyanmac, I was going to reply to cmsj but it was not worth the effort. As you guessed correctly I am not from the US neither live there. It may be hard to believe for some "americans", but I wasn't following the latest US presidential election in detail, should I apologize for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? Thanks for the linked article, the only I was getting on Google were stuff from sites like tabloids; me being diligent, wanted to find a more reliable source.
  - johnnyanmac 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St...
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- the_doctah 5y ago
  I must have missed the "inciting a riot" trial. How long was the jury out?
Traster 5y ago
Isn’t this a demonstrate he isn’t censored? He’s literally one browser tab away, and yet even that was too much for his followers. I think this is more effective as a demonstration of how users of these sites only function within these sites.
commandlinefan 5y ago
I feel the same - it may be perfectly legal for them to censor him, but it's nothing to celebrate, support, or be happy about.
tenebrisalietum 5y ago
Twitter shouldn't be the public forum, and that may be a long-term positive effect of all this. Maybe real competitors to Facebook and Twitter will eventually grow out of this. People en masse may rediscover blogs, forums, and such and realize there is a world outside of social media walled gardens. Hopefully that world doesn't just consist of nothing but pro-Trump or political sites and forums.
krapp 5y ago
> but silencing speech in what has effectively become a public forum doesn't help us treat the underlying cause of what caused Trump to become popular in the first place (IMHO the thing that we really need to address as a country). Trump wasn't deplatformed because he was popular, he was deplatformed because he went batshit insane and tried to undermine the legitimacy of the election by spreading conspiracy theories and lies which led to a riot and attempted coup. If he'd been left alone, his rhetoric would have amplified the atmosphere of paranoia and violence. He was left alone for nearly four years across all of social media, even treated with a much lighter hand than anyone else, bit there's a limit, even for the President of the United States. As far as addressing what caused Trump to become popular, you're right - deplatforming Trump didn't address that, nor could it have, nor was it intended to. I believe it did keep a bad situation from spiraling out of control, so it was the correct decision in that regard.

by Dig1t 5y ago

oxguy3 5y ago

You break the rules; you suffer the consequences. He incited a riot; he lost his platform. Banning him doesn't fix our country, sure, but social media platforms enforcing a basic standard of conduct seems like a positive to me.

moralestapia 5y ago
>He incited a riot I wasn't aware of that. Do you have a source?
- cmsj 5y ago
  If only sealions could use Google :(
  - moralestapia 5y ago
    I know how to use Google, but can't find a real source for that. Please share if you have any :)
    - cmsj 5y ago
      s/can't/don't want to/ FTFY
      - moralestapia 5y ago
        I know what I wrote. Was it a tweet or something? A video? I honestly can't find it. If it's so easy for you just link me to the source and stop behaving like a child.
        cmsj 5y ago
        I'm stringing you along because I don't believe you are acting in good faith. You seriously didn't pay any attention to any news during the US election ratification process? You didn't pay any attention to the second impeachment of Trump that focused solely on this matter? You didn't listen to any of his speeches around the new year? You couldn't type "donald trump incite riot" into a search engine and sift through some of the 600,000+ results? Either you are very bad at Google and pay no attention to news, neither of which seems very likely given the website we're on, or you are sealioning. So, which is it?
        johnnyanmac 5y ago
        >Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. if I knew how to report comments on this site, I would even if I somewhat agree with this. I don't want this place becoming Reddit. With all due respect: I don't think it's productive on the internet (a worldwide mechanism) to assume everyone is American, and by extension in tune with American politics. Or heck, even a person constantly checking social media for news multiple times a day. Name calling while ignoring these factors doesn't make for civil discourse. Just take 5 seconds link to the wiki and then decide whether or not to disengage based on their response. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St...
        moralestapia 5y ago
        Thanks johnnyanmac, I was going to reply to cmsj but it was not worth the effort. As you guessed correctly I am not from the US neither live there. It may be hard to believe for some "americans", but I wasn't following the latest US presidential election in detail, should I apologize for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? Thanks for the linked article, the only I was getting on Google were stuff from sites like tabloids; me being diligent, wanted to find a more reliable source.
- johnnyanmac 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St...
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the_doctah 5y ago
I must have missed the "inciting a riot" trial. How long was the jury out?

Traster 5y ago

Isn’t this a demonstrate he isn’t censored? He’s literally one browser tab away, and yet even that was too much for his followers. I think this is more effective as a demonstration of how users of these sites only function within these sites.

commandlinefan 5y ago

I feel the same - it may be perfectly legal for them to censor him, but it's nothing to celebrate, support, or be happy about.

tenebrisalietum 5y ago

Twitter shouldn't be the public forum, and that may be a long-term positive effect of all this. Maybe real competitors to Facebook and Twitter will eventually grow out of this. People en masse may rediscover blogs, forums, and such and realize there is a world outside of social media walled gardens. Hopefully that world doesn't just consist of nothing but pro-Trump or political sites and forums.

krapp 5y ago

> but silencing speech in what has effectively become a public forum doesn't help us treat the underlying cause of what caused Trump to become popular in the first place (IMHO the thing that we really need to address as a country). Trump wasn't deplatformed because he was popular, he was deplatformed because he went batshit insane and tried to undermine the legitimacy of the election by spreading conspiracy theories and lies which led to a riot and attempted coup. If he'd been left alone, his rhetoric would have amplified the atmosphere of paranoia and violence. He was left alone for nearly four years across all of social media, even treated with a much lighter hand than anyone else, bit there's a limit, even for the President of the United States. As far as addressing what caused Trump to become popular, you're right - deplatforming Trump didn't address that, nor could it have, nor was it intended to. I believe it did keep a bad situation from spiraling out of control, so it was the correct decision in that regard.