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I'm joking. It's userflags or mods. Thanks for putting it in the second-chance pool. The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream

I'm joking. It's userflags or mods. Thanks for putting it in the second-chance pool. The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs[1] gets flagged. Or even things the flagger doesn't understand: see this post being killed in the first place. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634

dang 5y ago
The flags were correct. The first link was unsubstantive, and you can tell from the comments why people were flagging it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503. The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). It's easy to see why users would consider yet another such post off-topic. > The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs gets flagged. You don't have to resort to "beliefs" to explain those cases. You may be falling prey to the bias where the bad (what you don't like) stands out more than the good (what you like), leading to false feelings of generality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20false%20feelings%20of%20generality&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- crazypython 5y ago
  > The first link was unsubstantive The most well-known VPS provider (DO) is not profitable and a competitor (Linode) with the same price and a very similar product is profitable. That in itself is interesting to me, particularly how DO managed to pull off that marketing. > The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. Sorry, I didn't see that it was already duplicated. If it was, I would have avoided submitting.
- crazypython 5y ago
  > By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). Almost all the threads you linked to were misinformation or anti-RMS posts with no substance. Stallmansupport.org is a website made by a group of women, with articles only from women, debunking the sexism claims. It is rich in primary sources. Yet it gets flagged. Non-substantiative news like "Red Hat supports the removal of RMS" doesn't get flagged, but an in-depth website by a group of women does. "Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding over Richard Stallman's Return" is a dupe. Also, less than 3% of FSF funding is corporate, so it's not really relevant. There were far more "calls for RMS to be removed" that weren't flagged than substantiative in-depth articles that looked at the issue. I suggest a simple remedy: Don't count flags from people who didn't click to open the article. To implement this, require a min delay between the time the link list is loaded, and the time they flagged.
  - dang 5y ago
    Your perceptions of one-sidedness are coming from the force of your passions. I assure you that people on the opposite side of this story say exactly the same things, just with one bit flipped. I addressed all of this in depth at the time (ironically, in a submission of the same URL that you posted, which wasn't killed): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26714003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26714003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713701 That took hours, and I don't have hours to write anything new. If, after reading those comments, you still think there's something I haven't addressed, please double-check to make double-sure that I didn't address it. If it passes that test, ask me then and I'll try to answer. In the meantime, though, please don't post new variations in this endless sequence.
    - crazypython 5y ago
      > force of your passions Someone was falsely accused of being misogynist ("Stallman never made me feel uncomfortable." - Molly De Blanc, leader of the anti-RMS letter.), transphobic ("My pronouns were always respected by Stallman and the rest of the GNU Project the day my transition was announced, and the same for other trans developers."), and more. I am outraged that HN failed to prevent– or even show balance– in the spread of this misinformation. > I assure you that people on the opposite side of this story say exactly the same things, just with one bit flipped. They are practicing ritual defamation, which mandates any speech presenting evidence is taboo: https://stallmansupport.org/the-practice-of-ritual-defamation-laird-wilcox.html https://stallmansupport.org/the-practice-of-ritual-defamatio... > If, after reading those comments, you still think there's something I haven't addressed, please double-check to make double-sure that I didn't address it. If it passes that test, ask me then and I'll try to answer. Fine.

dang 5y ago

The flags were correct. The first link was unsubstantive, and you can tell from the comments why people were flagging it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503. The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). It's easy to see why users would consider yet another such post off-topic. > The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs gets flagged. You don't have to resort to "beliefs" to explain those cases. You may be falling prey to the bias where the bad (what you don't like) stands out more than the good (what you like), leading to false feelings of generality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20false%20feelings%20of%20generality&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

crazypython 5y ago
> The first link was unsubstantive The most well-known VPS provider (DO) is not profitable and a competitor (Linode) with the same price and a very similar product is profitable. That in itself is interesting to me, particularly how DO managed to pull off that marketing. > The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. Sorry, I didn't see that it was already duplicated. If it was, I would have avoided submitting.
crazypython 5y ago
> By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). Almost all the threads you linked to were misinformation or anti-RMS posts with no substance. Stallmansupport.org is a website made by a group of women, with articles only from women, debunking the sexism claims. It is rich in primary sources. Yet it gets flagged. Non-substantiative news like "Red Hat supports the removal of RMS" doesn't get flagged, but an in-depth website by a group of women does. "Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding over Richard Stallman's Return" is a dupe. Also, less than 3% of FSF funding is corporate, so it's not really relevant. There were far more "calls for RMS to be removed" that weren't flagged than substantiative in-depth articles that looked at the issue. I suggest a simple remedy: Don't count flags from people who didn't click to open the article. To implement this, require a min delay between the time the link list is loaded, and the time they flagged.
- dang 5y ago
  Your perceptions of one-sidedness are coming from the force of your passions. I assure you that people on the opposite side of this story say exactly the same things, just with one bit flipped. I addressed all of this in depth at the time (ironically, in a submission of the same URL that you posted, which wasn't killed): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26714003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26714003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713701 That took hours, and I don't have hours to write anything new. If, after reading those comments, you still think there's something I haven't addressed, please double-check to make double-sure that I didn't address it. If it passes that test, ask me then and I'll try to answer. In the meantime, though, please don't post new variations in this endless sequence.
  - crazypython 5y ago
    > force of your passions Someone was falsely accused of being misogynist ("Stallman never made me feel uncomfortable." - Molly De Blanc, leader of the anti-RMS letter.), transphobic ("My pronouns were always respected by Stallman and the rest of the GNU Project the day my transition was announced, and the same for other trans developers."), and more. I am outraged that HN failed to prevent– or even show balance– in the spread of this misinformation. > I assure you that people on the opposite side of this story say exactly the same things, just with one bit flipped. They are practicing ritual defamation, which mandates any speech presenting evidence is taboo: https://stallmansupport.org/the-practice-of-ritual-defamation-laird-wilcox.html https://stallmansupport.org/the-practice-of-ritual-defamatio... > If, after reading those comments, you still think there's something I haven't addressed, please double-check to make double-sure that I didn't address it. If it passes that test, ask me then and I'll try to answer. Fine.