> I don't see how anywhere could get to count as a "success story with vaccination" under your criteria I think you're reading my comment incorrectly. I'm not

> I don't see how anywhere could get to count as a "success story with vaccination" under your criteria I think you're reading my comment incorrectly. I'm not promoting a criteria. I'm just stating the facts: we may find out that vaccines alone simply can't stop covid from infecting - and maybe even killing - large numbers of people. Obviously, if that is true to a sufficient degree, lockdown may prove to have been pointless. > How would you tell? New Zealand will most likely find out how successful their vaccination program was when they open their borders to the rest of the world.