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How about give everyone a state id first.

moshmosh 5y ago
It'd solve a lot of problems and we're (in the US) already living with most of the down-sides of one but without any of the benefits; however, it's a somewhat unpopular idea among Democrats and a very unpopular idea among Republicans. Without a major shift, it's not gonna happen.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Can you cite a source about republicans not wanting state IDs? The data would seem to contradict you.
  - jsight 5y ago
    I feel like Republicans push back against the idea of one being compulsory. Its a strange state of affairs for sure.
  - throwaway3699 5y ago
    Republicans want voter ID, but they don't want to mandate IDs that must be carried. Democrats seem to stand for the inverse.
  - moshmosh 5y ago
    We already have state IDs. Talk about making them mandatory and provided, automatically, for free and useful for the things a national ID is useful for (replacing our widespread and awful use of Social Security numbers as a de facto personal ID for interactions with business and government, for example) and you start to run into resistance in a hurry. They do tend to favor adding ID requirements to voting, though, yes.
okprod 5y ago
What's that have to do with UBI? I'm confused.
- dvh 5y ago
  OP probably asserts that government that struggles to issue trivial piece of plastic to all of its citizens has absolutely no capability whatsoever of executing something as grandiose as UBI.
- phh 5y ago
  Not really related, but related enough to be interesting: https://ubic.app/ https://ubic.app/ This is a proof-of-passport cryptomoney: You receive money on a regular basis simply with your passport, making it a de-facto UBI
mLuby 5y ago
Tangent of a tangent: Wiki says "in 2006, only 20% of Americans had passports. As of 2011, approximately 37% of Americans have passports or passport cards."[1] Did the 2008 financial crisis somehow double the number of Americans with passports? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States#Passport_and_passport_card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_Unit...

It'd solve a lot of problems and we're (in the US) already living with most of the down-sides of one but without any of the benefits; however, it's a somewhat unpopular idea among Democrats and a very unpopular idea among Republicans. Without a major shift, it's not gonna happen.

iammisc 5y ago
Can you cite a source about republicans not wanting state IDs? The data would seem to contradict you.
- jsight 5y ago
  I feel like Republicans push back against the idea of one being compulsory. Its a strange state of affairs for sure.
- throwaway3699 5y ago
  Republicans want voter ID, but they don't want to mandate IDs that must be carried. Democrats seem to stand for the inverse.
- moshmosh 5y ago
  We already have state IDs. Talk about making them mandatory and provided, automatically, for free and useful for the things a national ID is useful for (replacing our widespread and awful use of Social Security numbers as a de facto personal ID for interactions with business and government, for example) and you start to run into resistance in a hurry. They do tend to favor adding ID requirements to voting, though, yes.

okprod 5y ago

What's that have to do with UBI? I'm confused.

dvh 5y ago
OP probably asserts that government that struggles to issue trivial piece of plastic to all of its citizens has absolutely no capability whatsoever of executing something as grandiose as UBI.
phh 5y ago
Not really related, but related enough to be interesting: https://ubic.app/ https://ubic.app/ This is a proof-of-passport cryptomoney: You receive money on a regular basis simply with your passport, making it a de-facto UBI

mLuby 5y ago

Tangent of a tangent: Wiki says "in 2006, only 20% of Americans had passports. As of 2011, approximately 37% of Americans have passports or passport cards."[1] Did the 2008 financial crisis somehow double the number of Americans with passports? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States#Passport_and_passport_card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_Unit...