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the biggest condesenting pricks i have known usually use macs. It is rare to see windows users sneer at other people, just b/c of their choice of OS. Remember

by ardit33 18y ago

the biggest condesenting pricks i have known usually use macs. It is rare to see windows users sneer at other people, just b/c of their choice of OS. Remember, not everybody has 2K to spend in a computer, and if you are a student and do, your priorities are kind of backwards. You can save a 1k by bying a decent PC, so you have 1k of savings, and one month more of runtime to work on a basement for your idea or startup to flourish. And I Bet you money, that all you need to spend is about 1 DAY in tinckering around, until you make both Windows and Linux as usable as your Mac. If you can survive with 1k a month (I could in Cambridge), you just saved about 29 days to work on your startup, if you had to buy the pricey macbook pro. And, I have Macos, Windows XP, and a Linux box at home, and i can say that while MacOs is the more polished and better looking than all, it is not necessary the fastes for me. I find myself working much faster in XP or Linux. And all of those that say you have to spend lots of money $$ into a good laptop in order to be able to get working, well, if you can't code in a $1,000 laptop, you probably can't in a $2,000 one.

Zev 18y ago
If you work faster in $OSChoiceOne instead of $OSChoiceTwo, great. Use whatever works for you. I wouldn't expect you to do anything less. I would think less of you if you chose to use $OSChoiceTwo anyway, just to be popular. Which i think is the real problem here: Choosing something due to its perception and thinking it will make you work better instead of finding something that actually makes you work better. And just to note, not every Mac costs $2000. Just like not every PC sells for < $1000. The Macbook costs $1100 (even less if you're a student or have an ADC discount) and an Alienware laptop from Dell costs $2100.
- ardit33 18y ago
  Sorry, but the macbook is a piece of crap. Flimsy as hell, and it's keyboard is unusable. I know this, b/c I was shoping for a mac a couple of months ago. You have to go for MCB Pro in order to get anything usable with macs, for which you have to shell at least 2k. Or go the iMac route. Either way, it is much more expensive than you can get out of pc.
  - axod 18y ago
    unusable? I have a mb, and Mbp. I much prefer the mb keyboard. MVP is a bit squidgy although backlight makes up a little.
    - axod 18y ago
      MVP = MBP. Damn iPhone auto-correct ;)
jshen 18y ago
"that all you need to spend is about 1 DAY in tinckering around, until you make both Windows and Linux as usable as your Mac." you can turn windows into a unix in a day? As for linux, I used it professionally for a few years and it is not as usable as a mac. One example is that I had to spend hours getting my sound to work again after an OS update on more than one occasion with linux.
- pavelludiq 18y ago
  Well if i can get cygwin to work properly i get a UNIX++(an octopus made by...). As for linux, the only hardware problems I've had was with my printer, and since the only non-windows drivers were 2 RPM's i doubt that mac OS X would magically solve that problem. And here is my really awesome opinion, i understand all the hype around OS X, its new, its cool, and it gets you laid(well, that youtube video said so, so it must be true). Lets just forget about the company logo that stays on you laptop. Is their really any real advantage that macs have to linux? One would say better graphic design. My KDE desktop looks pretty enough, i've spent years in xp, so KDE looks great to me. Next is usability. Well, after i tweak my KDE desktop a little i get all the usability i need, i do all the things that i want to do. OK what else does OS X have that linux doesn't? It has better apps. OK, that might be true. I don't know how many apps OS X has, but if they are close to 16000, how do you expect them all to be as good, as the best. windows has the same problem, too many apps, when OS X gets popular enough we will see a big amount of bad apps. So, what do we see? I don't need a mac, linux is good enough. OK, is this the blub OS paradox?
  - unalone 18y ago
    OS X is more usable: it's got a very wide set of features, and they're each extremely polished and designed to be fast and stay out of your way - unlike many of their Linux counterparts. Mac developers are regarded as among the best out there. Look at Adium vs. Pidgin: the one is a much better-designed product. Although, of course, iChat's pretty excellent to begin with. That's one example out of hundreds: I've found that whenever I need something done on a Mac, there's an app that does it superbly. You're allowed to not use a Mac, and nobody here would pressure you into getting one. But don't make statements when you have no clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't profess to make statements about more involved variants of Linux, because I at least know that I know next to nothing.
unalone 18y ago
Actually, it wasn't until I got a Mac that I found Coda, which is the only coding app I've ever truly fallen in love with. I've coded much better on my Macbook than I ever did using an HP desktop. I wouldn't use that to argue that OS X is necessarily better than other operating systems, but as an individual case to remind you that when you make your OWN case, you're relying not on facts but on arbitrary whims of your own. The rest of us know it: stop pretending like you dictate fact. And, by the way, your entire post reeked of condescension, a tad ironically.

by ardit33 18y ago

Zev 18y ago

If you work faster in $OSChoiceOne instead of $OSChoiceTwo, great. Use whatever works for you. I wouldn't expect you to do anything less. I would think less of you if you chose to use $OSChoiceTwo anyway, just to be popular. Which i think is the real problem here: Choosing something due to its perception and thinking it will make you work better instead of finding something that actually makes you work better. And just to note, not every Mac costs $2000. Just like not every PC sells for < $1000. The Macbook costs $1100 (even less if you're a student or have an ADC discount) and an Alienware laptop from Dell costs $2100.

ardit33 18y ago
Sorry, but the macbook is a piece of crap. Flimsy as hell, and it's keyboard is unusable. I know this, b/c I was shoping for a mac a couple of months ago. You have to go for MCB Pro in order to get anything usable with macs, for which you have to shell at least 2k. Or go the iMac route. Either way, it is much more expensive than you can get out of pc.
- axod 18y ago
  unusable? I have a mb, and Mbp. I much prefer the mb keyboard. MVP is a bit squidgy although backlight makes up a little.
  - axod 18y ago
    MVP = MBP. Damn iPhone auto-correct ;)

jshen 18y ago

"that all you need to spend is about 1 DAY in tinckering around, until you make both Windows and Linux as usable as your Mac." you can turn windows into a unix in a day? As for linux, I used it professionally for a few years and it is not as usable as a mac. One example is that I had to spend hours getting my sound to work again after an OS update on more than one occasion with linux.

pavelludiq 18y ago
Well if i can get cygwin to work properly i get a UNIX++(an octopus made by...). As for linux, the only hardware problems I've had was with my printer, and since the only non-windows drivers were 2 RPM's i doubt that mac OS X would magically solve that problem. And here is my really awesome opinion, i understand all the hype around OS X, its new, its cool, and it gets you laid(well, that youtube video said so, so it must be true). Lets just forget about the company logo that stays on you laptop. Is their really any real advantage that macs have to linux? One would say better graphic design. My KDE desktop looks pretty enough, i've spent years in xp, so KDE looks great to me. Next is usability. Well, after i tweak my KDE desktop a little i get all the usability i need, i do all the things that i want to do. OK what else does OS X have that linux doesn't? It has better apps. OK, that might be true. I don't know how many apps OS X has, but if they are close to 16000, how do you expect them all to be as good, as the best. windows has the same problem, too many apps, when OS X gets popular enough we will see a big amount of bad apps. So, what do we see? I don't need a mac, linux is good enough. OK, is this the blub OS paradox?
- unalone 18y ago
  OS X is more usable: it's got a very wide set of features, and they're each extremely polished and designed to be fast and stay out of your way - unlike many of their Linux counterparts. Mac developers are regarded as among the best out there. Look at Adium vs. Pidgin: the one is a much better-designed product. Although, of course, iChat's pretty excellent to begin with. That's one example out of hundreds: I've found that whenever I need something done on a Mac, there's an app that does it superbly. You're allowed to not use a Mac, and nobody here would pressure you into getting one. But don't make statements when you have no clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't profess to make statements about more involved variants of Linux, because I at least know that I know next to nothing.

unalone 18y ago

Actually, it wasn't until I got a Mac that I found Coda, which is the only coding app I've ever truly fallen in love with. I've coded much better on my Macbook than I ever did using an HP desktop. I wouldn't use that to argue that OS X is necessarily better than other operating systems, but as an individual case to remind you that when you make your OWN case, you're relying not on facts but on arbitrary whims of your own. The rest of us know it: stop pretending like you dictate fact. And, by the way, your entire post reeked of condescension, a tad ironically.