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"Envy" makes it sound like it's bad or sinful. But it just makes total sense to me. Bezos is trying to start a rocket company and this other rocket company is m

by lacker 5y ago

"Envy" makes it sound like it's bad or sinful. But it just makes total sense to me. Bezos is trying to start a rocket company and this other rocket company is more successful. Of course you want to try to hire away executives from SpaceX, of course you want to compete for the same contracts they are getting. It's a hard business and many companies have failed. What makes Blue Origin relatively unique is that Bezos has billions more dollars and can keep trying. I hope he does, I think we would be better off in a world where SpaceX has an innovative competitor who vigorously competes with them. The legacy companies like ULA, I don't know if they can reorient themselves to actually compete with SpaceX.

polishdude20 5y ago
Yeah I think he's got "envy" as much as one of us would have envy for SpaceX. I'd love to be on the inside of SpaceX working for them and launching things to space. I'm sure Jeff would love to be the guy in Elons shoes just cause that stuff is so cool
toomuchtodo 5y ago
I don't agree, although that is a charitable interpretation. Bezos was also "envious" [1] of Tesla's tax breaks from jurisdictions courting new gigafactories, which is why he demanded a road show to court breaks for HQ2. This is obnoxiously wealthy people handling the situations like you'd expect (and yet, in a very unhealthy way). My two cents is that Musk (being on the spectrum) is driven in a different way than Bezos (and therefore, being obsessive to a greater degree [2] [3], making him more involved "on the ground", leading to SpaceX's success). Being "relentless" (Bezos) is what you do, being obsessed (Musk) is who you are. Bezos is going to chill on his mega yacht with the new lady friend while Musk is overseeing construction of Starship SNs in the Texas desert. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/behind-amazon-hq2-fiasco-jeff-100012951.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/behind-amazon-hq2-fiasco-jeff... (Behind Amazon’s HQ2 Fiasco: Jeff Bezos Was Jealous of Elon Musk) [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/20/elon-musks-ex-wife-on-secret-to-getting-rich-be-obsessed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/20/elon-musks-ex-wife-on-secret... (Elon Musk’s ex-wife on secret to getting rich: ‘Be obsessed’) [3] https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-as-great-as-Bill-Gates-Steve-Jobs-Elon-Musk-or-Sir-Richard-Branson?share=1 https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-as-great-as-Bill-Gates-St... (Answer at top of page by Justine Musk)
- tachyonbeam 5y ago
  > My two cents is that Musk (being on the spectrum) is driven in a different way than Bezos (and therefore, being obsessive to a greater degree [1], making him more involved "on the ground", leading to SpaceX's success). My perspective, having watched multiple interviews of Elon and Bezos, is that Musk is just really passionate about tech. He's an engineer at heart, that's why he's directly involved in the development of the tech, which is central to all of his businesses. He's also a risk taker and a pioneer, he's not afraid of taking big risky bets on unproven technologies, he seems to actually enjoy doing that, and proving people wrong. Bezos, on the other hand, is passionate about business and making money. He would like to have the tech success that Musk has, but he doesn't have the vision and the interest in how exactly the tech works. Once he sees that something is going to be financially successful, he tries to copy it. Amazon is successful because it has good execution, economies of scale and competitive pricing, but it wasn't the first online retailer, or the first cloud provider, etc. I don't know if I would invest in Blue Origin. Personally, I think Rocket Lab is a much more interesting company (that is already trading on public markets). It's being led by someone who is genuinely passionate about space and has a proven orbital launch vehicle. I wish I could invest in SpaceX, but IMO Rocket Lab is the next best thing to invest in, a mini SpaceX.
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  - CobrastanJorji 5y ago
    > [Bezos] would like to have the tech success that Musk has, but he doesn't have the vision and the interest in how exactly the tech works. You can say a lot of bad things about Jeff Bezos, but confidently claiming that he lacks vision and interest in tech and blindly copies whatever works is...bold. Who was this "first cloud provider" if it wasn't Amazon?
    - NOGDP 5y ago
      What kind of 'vision' and tech leadership did Bezos bring to AWS? Arguably none whatsoever.

by lacker 5y ago

polishdude20 5y ago

Yeah I think he's got "envy" as much as one of us would have envy for SpaceX. I'd love to be on the inside of SpaceX working for them and launching things to space. I'm sure Jeff would love to be the guy in Elons shoes just cause that stuff is so cool

toomuchtodo 5y ago

I don't agree, although that is a charitable interpretation. Bezos was also "envious" [1] of Tesla's tax breaks from jurisdictions courting new gigafactories, which is why he demanded a road show to court breaks for HQ2. This is obnoxiously wealthy people handling the situations like you'd expect (and yet, in a very unhealthy way). My two cents is that Musk (being on the spectrum) is driven in a different way than Bezos (and therefore, being obsessive to a greater degree [2] [3], making him more involved "on the ground", leading to SpaceX's success). Being "relentless" (Bezos) is what you do, being obsessed (Musk) is who you are. Bezos is going to chill on his mega yacht with the new lady friend while Musk is overseeing construction of Starship SNs in the Texas desert. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/behind-amazon-hq2-fiasco-jeff-100012951.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/behind-amazon-hq2-fiasco-jeff... (Behind Amazon’s HQ2 Fiasco: Jeff Bezos Was Jealous of Elon Musk) [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/20/elon-musks-ex-wife-on-secret-to-getting-rich-be-obsessed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/20/elon-musks-ex-wife-on-secret... (Elon Musk’s ex-wife on secret to getting rich: ‘Be obsessed’) [3] https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-as-great-as-Bill-Gates-Steve-Jobs-Elon-Musk-or-Sir-Richard-Branson?share=1 https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-as-great-as-Bill-Gates-St... (Answer at top of page by Justine Musk)

tachyonbeam 5y ago
> My two cents is that Musk (being on the spectrum) is driven in a different way than Bezos (and therefore, being obsessive to a greater degree [1], making him more involved "on the ground", leading to SpaceX's success). My perspective, having watched multiple interviews of Elon and Bezos, is that Musk is just really passionate about tech. He's an engineer at heart, that's why he's directly involved in the development of the tech, which is central to all of his businesses. He's also a risk taker and a pioneer, he's not afraid of taking big risky bets on unproven technologies, he seems to actually enjoy doing that, and proving people wrong. Bezos, on the other hand, is passionate about business and making money. He would like to have the tech success that Musk has, but he doesn't have the vision and the interest in how exactly the tech works. Once he sees that something is going to be financially successful, he tries to copy it. Amazon is successful because it has good execution, economies of scale and competitive pricing, but it wasn't the first online retailer, or the first cloud provider, etc. I don't know if I would invest in Blue Origin. Personally, I think Rocket Lab is a much more interesting company (that is already trading on public markets). It's being led by someone who is genuinely passionate about space and has a proven orbital launch vehicle. I wish I could invest in SpaceX, but IMO Rocket Lab is the next best thing to invest in, a mini SpaceX.
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- CobrastanJorji 5y ago
  > [Bezos] would like to have the tech success that Musk has, but he doesn't have the vision and the interest in how exactly the tech works. You can say a lot of bad things about Jeff Bezos, but confidently claiming that he lacks vision and interest in tech and blindly copies whatever works is...bold. Who was this "first cloud provider" if it wasn't Amazon?
  - NOGDP 5y ago
    What kind of 'vision' and tech leadership did Bezos bring to AWS? Arguably none whatsoever.