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Put together with all of the other mistakes around covid, it all seems rather silly. - We all know about the WHO and their statement on masks. - Distinctly re

Put together with all of the other mistakes around covid, it all seems rather silly. - We all know about the WHO and their statement on masks. - Distinctly remember people saying, "We don't know if antibodies offer protection," (in contrast to every other known sickness afaik). Turns out they do and they are superior to vaccine - Doesn't matter follow the same precautions as everyone. I know people who have had antibodies for over a year, but nobody would hang-out with them because immunity wasn't explained to the lay-people. - So much hand-wringing about whether the vaccine prevents transmission. Seemed like a given. Turns out it was a given. - Still so much hand-wringing about vaccinated people. Given 30% of america is vaccinated, it seems obvious that anybody vaccinated can pretty much go no-mask, no precautions, and if all the vulnerable populations are vaccinated then everybody can go no-mask. Basically America should be 100% open, and the .0001% who are vulnerable but can't get a vaccine can wear masks and quarantine. It's simply unacceptable for professionsals to say "We don't know X, we'll let you know in 3 months." If you don't know about the India variants and the vaccine, spend 100k to FLY-OUT 1,000 vaccines to India same day, inoculate 1000 volunteers, and track them. You'll have your answer within 40 days. Do this for every variant, it's not rocket-science. If there's something I'm missing, then they need to explain it about 10x better than they are doing so far. Feels like a bunch of middle-managers. --- tl; dr - CDC needs to be managed by some software engineers apparently. Edit - Feel free to justify those downvotes if you think you can.

kickout 5y ago
I think your getting downvotes with your 'software engineers should manage everything' comment. That's a comical statement to make and comes off appearing as a 'know-it-all', something the CDC appears to be suffering from
URSpider94 5y ago
1. We don't (and didn't) know how long antibodies would offer protection. Some viral infections can recur very quickly. Also, all of the data I've seen is that the immunity conferred by the COVID vaccine is more durable than that from an infection. 2. It's not a given that a vaccine prevents transmission. Being an asymptomatic carrier is a real thing. 3. This statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccination works. The vaccine is only 90% effective. If vaccinated people are swimming in a sea of COVID, then roughly 10% of them will go on to get COVID. You're also ignoring the fact that as of today children under 16 can't get vaccinated AT ALL, and so beyond whether they die or get critically ill from it, they are contributing to the sea of COVID that can infect vaccinated senior citizens. 3. Studies take time. Knowing how variants perform vs. vaccines is not a matter of people flying on a plane. It's a matter of running a study long enough to see who gets infected and who doesn't. You seem to be completely unaware of the classic project management warning that it takes 9 months to have a baby, 9 mothers can't have one in one month. On masking in public, you also need to understand that we have to have rules that are manageable. You can't say "oh vaccinated people, you can stop wearing masks in public", because then every storekeeper needs to query every non-masker to ask whether they are vaccinated - and of course they are all going to say yes, and they are even going to carry fake vaccination cards to prove their point. It's just an untenable situation, and additionally as long as COVID is in open spread with tens of thousands of cases per day, vaccinated people are still vulnerable.

kickout 5y ago

I think your getting downvotes with your 'software engineers should manage everything' comment. That's a comical statement to make and comes off appearing as a 'know-it-all', something the CDC appears to be suffering from

URSpider94 5y ago

1. We don't (and didn't) know how long antibodies would offer protection. Some viral infections can recur very quickly. Also, all of the data I've seen is that the immunity conferred by the COVID vaccine is more durable than that from an infection. 2. It's not a given that a vaccine prevents transmission. Being an asymptomatic carrier is a real thing. 3. This statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccination works. The vaccine is only 90% effective. If vaccinated people are swimming in a sea of COVID, then roughly 10% of them will go on to get COVID. You're also ignoring the fact that as of today children under 16 can't get vaccinated AT ALL, and so beyond whether they die or get critically ill from it, they are contributing to the sea of COVID that can infect vaccinated senior citizens. 3. Studies take time. Knowing how variants perform vs. vaccines is not a matter of people flying on a plane. It's a matter of running a study long enough to see who gets infected and who doesn't. You seem to be completely unaware of the classic project management warning that it takes 9 months to have a baby, 9 mothers can't have one in one month. On masking in public, you also need to understand that we have to have rules that are manageable. You can't say "oh vaccinated people, you can stop wearing masks in public", because then every storekeeper needs to query every non-masker to ask whether they are vaccinated - and of course they are all going to say yes, and they are even going to carry fake vaccination cards to prove their point. It's just an untenable situation, and additionally as long as COVID is in open spread with tens of thousands of cases per day, vaccinated people are still vulnerable.