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Amazon does not treat user data privacy as a core value. That means there is no floor to police those who use this network for data privacy. Beyond that, Apple

Amazon does not treat user data privacy as a core value. That means there is no floor to police those who use this network for data privacy. Beyond that, Apple mobile devices have the most efficient battery / processor compute on the market. Nothing to be said for mobile data use, though I would be interested to see analysis of how much new bandwidth usage results from participation. Also, I would expect Apple to be much more aggressive in curtailing unnecessary data usage than Amazon would be. That's just a gut check though.

tootie 5y ago
Amazon's user data policy is very similar to Apple. They have more of it because of their reach but they don't sell it.
- bredren 5y ago
  Having a policy is not the same as a core value. You are right that Amazon has far more data, including purchasing history and intent (inclusive of grocery for some customers) Most of the concern shown in this thread is this retroactive ToS change for something that to Amazon Echo. It is reasonable to have greater concern about a ToS governing this data because it can be combined with other data Amazon collects in its other businesses and is inherently more sensitive. I do not recall Jeff Bezos going to conferences or sitting for interviews where he puts focus on customer privacy. Whereas practically every major interview Tim Cook gives he speaks to the importance of privacy. Cook was doing this long before the current dispute with Facebook entered public awareness. Company culture starts at the top. I am interested in any debate around how any other consumer products company including Amazon might have led Apple in any of the following areas: - Identifying privacy concerns - Creating simple interfaces for making choices about sensitive data - Offering a platform that consistently enforces the use of newly introduced privacy controls by 3rd party applications
ActorNightly 5y ago
Is this a joke? Amazon certainly does treat user privacy seriously. When is the last time you have heard of any data leaks from Amazon? Meanwhile, Apple App store still is littered with apps that violate user privacy. Also, did we already forget about the celebrity photo iCloud leak due to poor authentication?
- bredren 5y ago
  Every customer purchase made through Amazon that is FBA results in the customer's name and address being made available to a 3rd party. Often Amazon customers do not realize that their purchases result in this information sharing, and since control of the Buy Box shifts constantly there is no obvious way to be informed about this or choose which businesses to exclude. It is possible to own the Buy Box for a very personal adult item by selling a product at a loss. This allows the creation of highly targeted list building right now. This list can be used to identify individuals and to purchase of consumer data covering demographic, psychographic, social media and credit rating. In this way, Amazon offers virtually anyone the keystone to linking the confirmed purchases of its unwitting customers with the broadest array of private data available. Regardless of the ToS around this data, I suspect a tangible demonstration of the improper use of this data will occur. When that happens, it will be compared to the way Cambridge Analytica exploited accessible but ToS-protected PII from Facebook. https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/as-an-fba-seller-do-you-get-the-buyers-info-who-buy-our-amazon-products/267850 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/as-an-fba-seller-d...
  - ActorNightly 5y ago
    ...This is not even close to a "privacy" violation. When you buy something from a store, they get that information without Amazon in the middle by default (billing address, shipping address, CC info). As a seller, you want this information so you can see who is buying your product and optimize around that, in the same way that as a buyer, you want the most information possible about the product and competing alternatives. Also, Amazon can and does kick sellers off for abusing data. Meanwhile, when you buy an iPhone or Macbook, from the moment it gets an internet connection it starts phoning home sending tracking info on you, with no way to disable it. And its absolutely silly to be ok with Apple collecting data but not any other 3d party - from your perspective, Apple is 3d party, and if you trust them with your data despite a history of violations, then you probably don't really care about privacy as much as you think.
- zymhan 5y ago
  "Privacy" is not limited to leaking user data. It's also related to what data you collect, what data you store, and how you use that data for ads.

tootie 5y ago

Amazon's user data policy is very similar to Apple. They have more of it because of their reach but they don't sell it.

bredren 5y ago
Having a policy is not the same as a core value. You are right that Amazon has far more data, including purchasing history and intent (inclusive of grocery for some customers) Most of the concern shown in this thread is this retroactive ToS change for something that to Amazon Echo. It is reasonable to have greater concern about a ToS governing this data because it can be combined with other data Amazon collects in its other businesses and is inherently more sensitive. I do not recall Jeff Bezos going to conferences or sitting for interviews where he puts focus on customer privacy. Whereas practically every major interview Tim Cook gives he speaks to the importance of privacy. Cook was doing this long before the current dispute with Facebook entered public awareness. Company culture starts at the top. I am interested in any debate around how any other consumer products company including Amazon might have led Apple in any of the following areas: - Identifying privacy concerns - Creating simple interfaces for making choices about sensitive data - Offering a platform that consistently enforces the use of newly introduced privacy controls by 3rd party applications

ActorNightly 5y ago

Is this a joke? Amazon certainly does treat user privacy seriously. When is the last time you have heard of any data leaks from Amazon? Meanwhile, Apple App store still is littered with apps that violate user privacy. Also, did we already forget about the celebrity photo iCloud leak due to poor authentication?

bredren 5y ago
Every customer purchase made through Amazon that is FBA results in the customer's name and address being made available to a 3rd party. Often Amazon customers do not realize that their purchases result in this information sharing, and since control of the Buy Box shifts constantly there is no obvious way to be informed about this or choose which businesses to exclude. It is possible to own the Buy Box for a very personal adult item by selling a product at a loss. This allows the creation of highly targeted list building right now. This list can be used to identify individuals and to purchase of consumer data covering demographic, psychographic, social media and credit rating. In this way, Amazon offers virtually anyone the keystone to linking the confirmed purchases of its unwitting customers with the broadest array of private data available. Regardless of the ToS around this data, I suspect a tangible demonstration of the improper use of this data will occur. When that happens, it will be compared to the way Cambridge Analytica exploited accessible but ToS-protected PII from Facebook. https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/as-an-fba-seller-do-you-get-the-buyers-info-who-buy-our-amazon-products/267850 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/as-an-fba-seller-d...
- ActorNightly 5y ago
  ...This is not even close to a "privacy" violation. When you buy something from a store, they get that information without Amazon in the middle by default (billing address, shipping address, CC info). As a seller, you want this information so you can see who is buying your product and optimize around that, in the same way that as a buyer, you want the most information possible about the product and competing alternatives. Also, Amazon can and does kick sellers off for abusing data. Meanwhile, when you buy an iPhone or Macbook, from the moment it gets an internet connection it starts phoning home sending tracking info on you, with no way to disable it. And its absolutely silly to be ok with Apple collecting data but not any other 3d party - from your perspective, Apple is 3d party, and if you trust them with your data despite a history of violations, then you probably don't really care about privacy as much as you think.
zymhan 5y ago
"Privacy" is not limited to leaking user data. It's also related to what data you collect, what data you store, and how you use that data for ads.