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> 30 days Where can I find a job with 30 days of leave? A lot of places seem to think 15 days is beyond generous because they treat all PTO as vacation time an

> 30 days Where can I find a job with 30 days of leave? A lot of places seem to think 15 days is beyond generous because they treat all PTO as vacation time and ignore that sick time used to exist. Meanwhile, my health issues make it extremely difficult to bank any amount of PTO.

fernandotakai 6y ago
or even worse: "infinite PTO" aka you never take time off because you are scared of overusing the perk.
- duckfang 6y ago
  And the trick behind that is when you leave a company, they have to normally pay for unused PTO.... Unless the PTO is "unlimited" aka not accruing. And much research done academically and in business magazines shows that people use LESS PTO when it's "unlimited". Tl;Dr. It's another scam companies use to bilk workers.
- hallway_monitor 6y ago
  Untracked time off is a double-edged sword for sure. I just make sure to take more time off than I would have gotten at my last job, and I tell my employees to do the same.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    There need to be cultural norms set from the top around its use for sure. Though I'm not sure, in general, it's worse than pooled vacation/sick time. I would hope that coming out of the pandemic there would be some rethink of a system that basically provides a strong incentive to come into the office sick. (OTOH, there may be more flexibility in terms of WFH so that may do the job at least partway on its own.)
cr1895 5y ago
Unfortunately it’s not helpful to your situation, but these issues are handled much better in many countries. For example, in Netherlands there are statutory holidays (20 or so?) then many companies give additional days on top of that. 28+ isn’t uncommon. Being absent due to illness has no bearing on holidays either…even if you’re sick in one of your holidays it doesn’t count against your holiday time. There’s no concept of a fixed number of sick days.
wirrbel 5y ago
fairly standard in Germany. And sick leave unlimited (doctor's note required).
joncrane 5y ago
the 30 includes federal holidays so it works out to about 20 in practice.

fernandotakai 6y ago

or even worse: "infinite PTO" aka you never take time off because you are scared of overusing the perk.

duckfang 6y ago
And the trick behind that is when you leave a company, they have to normally pay for unused PTO.... Unless the PTO is "unlimited" aka not accruing. And much research done academically and in business magazines shows that people use LESS PTO when it's "unlimited". Tl;Dr. It's another scam companies use to bilk workers.
hallway_monitor 6y ago
Untracked time off is a double-edged sword for sure. I just make sure to take more time off than I would have gotten at my last job, and I tell my employees to do the same.
- ghaff 5y ago
  There need to be cultural norms set from the top around its use for sure. Though I'm not sure, in general, it's worse than pooled vacation/sick time. I would hope that coming out of the pandemic there would be some rethink of a system that basically provides a strong incentive to come into the office sick. (OTOH, there may be more flexibility in terms of WFH so that may do the job at least partway on its own.)

cr1895 5y ago

Unfortunately it’s not helpful to your situation, but these issues are handled much better in many countries. For example, in Netherlands there are statutory holidays (20 or so?) then many companies give additional days on top of that. 28+ isn’t uncommon. Being absent due to illness has no bearing on holidays either…even if you’re sick in one of your holidays it doesn’t count against your holiday time. There’s no concept of a fixed number of sick days.

wirrbel 5y ago

fairly standard in Germany. And sick leave unlimited (doctor's note required).

joncrane 5y ago

the 30 includes federal holidays so it works out to about 20 in practice.