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You know who’s making real progress on AI driving? Waze is. I don’t want to be too dismissive of EV progress thanks to Tesla but I feel like there’s no contest

by rtpg 5y ago

You know who’s making real progress on AI driving? Waze is. I don’t want to be too dismissive of EV progress thanks to Tesla but I feel like there’s no contest about who is pushing forward AI driving beyond the status quo. And Waze doesn’t need a professional troll to go around garnering media support 24/7.

bogota 5y ago
Do you mean Waymo?
- rtpg 5y ago
  Yes
brianwawok 5y ago
* Waymo not Waze * Operates in a tiny geographically fenced area * Despite success, has not expanded to any new areas or rolled out any further. * As a consumer, I have no access to buy Waymo, but I can buy at least the current implementation of Tesla Autopilot.
- rtpg 5y ago
  Tesla autopilot is not a comparable product though! It operates nowhere at Waymo capacity. My understanding is that Tesla is extremely behind on these fronts compared to Waymo, and that gap keeps widening every day. I know who I would bet on
  - majic 5y ago
    But they aren't trying to solve the same problem. I believe Waymo works better in a pre scanned area, where there are no construction sites or major changes, but in a general context you can atleast attempt to use Autopilot, which you can't with Waymo. Thus I would not say that Waymo is miles better.
- Vvector 5y ago
  Waymo believes that the the roads need to be fully 3d mapped, with crosswalks, street lights and signs before their car can autopilot safely on it. More mapping will happen if/when the AI autopilot is ready.
ccmonnett 5y ago
About Waymo: I used to think they were a leader in this space, partly based on their published safety statistics, but I am no longer so sure. I had the great fortune of living in "Old Palo Alto" (think "mega rich tech CEO paradise") for a year while my wife was at Stanford. This is a grid of low-traffic, low-speed, sidewalked residential streets, ~10 minutes on all sides from the nearest highway, with typical mid-Peninsula weather (in other words, essentially perfect driving conditions). I would would frequently see Waymo vehicles going all through the neighborhood at 6-9AM on Sunday mornings when I was out on long runs. They would often be essentially the only cars I saw on the road. If there is a better way to pad your urban safety statistics, I do not know of one. Old Palo Alto on Google Maps, for the curious/unfamiliar: https://goo.gl/maps/cAqifusdRL647YgWA https://goo.gl/maps/cAqifusdRL647YgWA

by rtpg 5y ago

bogota 5y ago

Do you mean Waymo?

rtpg 5y ago
Yes

brianwawok 5y ago

* Waymo not Waze * Operates in a tiny geographically fenced area * Despite success, has not expanded to any new areas or rolled out any further. * As a consumer, I have no access to buy Waymo, but I can buy at least the current implementation of Tesla Autopilot.

rtpg 5y ago
Tesla autopilot is not a comparable product though! It operates nowhere at Waymo capacity. My understanding is that Tesla is extremely behind on these fronts compared to Waymo, and that gap keeps widening every day. I know who I would bet on
- majic 5y ago
  But they aren't trying to solve the same problem. I believe Waymo works better in a pre scanned area, where there are no construction sites or major changes, but in a general context you can atleast attempt to use Autopilot, which you can't with Waymo. Thus I would not say that Waymo is miles better.
Vvector 5y ago
Waymo believes that the the roads need to be fully 3d mapped, with crosswalks, street lights and signs before their car can autopilot safely on it. More mapping will happen if/when the AI autopilot is ready.

ccmonnett 5y ago

About Waymo: I used to think they were a leader in this space, partly based on their published safety statistics, but I am no longer so sure. I had the great fortune of living in "Old Palo Alto" (think "mega rich tech CEO paradise") for a year while my wife was at Stanford. This is a grid of low-traffic, low-speed, sidewalked residential streets, ~10 minutes on all sides from the nearest highway, with typical mid-Peninsula weather (in other words, essentially perfect driving conditions). I would would frequently see Waymo vehicles going all through the neighborhood at 6-9AM on Sunday mornings when I was out on long runs. They would often be essentially the only cars I saw on the road. If there is a better way to pad your urban safety statistics, I do not know of one. Old Palo Alto on Google Maps, for the curious/unfamiliar: https://goo.gl/maps/cAqifusdRL647YgWA https://goo.gl/maps/cAqifusdRL647YgWA