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> But their choices affect me If you and your family get vaccinated, how do their choices affect you?

CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
Vaccines are not 100% effective, some people cannot take the vaccine (known allergic reactions, immunocompromised, ...) and continued spread of the virus can create new mutations.
- miked85 5y ago
  It isn't 100%, no. But I am not sure what you are suggesting then. If you get the vaccine and are still scared and angry at people that may not have received it, there aren't many options for you aside from indefinite total lock-down.
  - CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
    Herd immunity. If enough people get vaccinated R0 gets under 1, and the spread stops by itself also protecting those who cannot get the vaccine or are unlucky that the vaccine does not work for them. They are protected by the herd.
danparsonson 5y ago
As far as I know, I haven't had COVID, but other people having it has certainly ruined my year and everyone else's regardless. There's a lot more at stake than just your personal health.
- miked85 5y ago
  Agreed, but what do you propose? We will never have 100% of people get the vaccine due to either personal choice or medical conditions.
  - danparsonson 5y ago
    >> But their choices affect me >If you and your family get vaccinated, how do their choices affect you? I was simply answering this.
  - bart_spoon 5y ago
    Right now, there is no cost to not being vaccinated, but it does cause damage to society. Its an economic externality. So we should do same thing we do with any other externalities such as pollution: you legislate to bring cost in line with the damage being imposed on others. I don't think this should mean jail time, but anything from being barred from public spaces like schools or government jobs, to tax penalties, should be on the table in my opinion. I'm all for freedom of choice, but I'm against freeloading. No one should have to take the vaccine if they don't want to, but they shouldn't be able to participate in all the benefits of society while refusing to do their part in keeping that society functional.
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Vaccines are not 100% effective, some people cannot take the vaccine (known allergic reactions, immunocompromised, ...) and continued spread of the virus can create new mutations.

miked85 5y ago
It isn't 100%, no. But I am not sure what you are suggesting then. If you get the vaccine and are still scared and angry at people that may not have received it, there aren't many options for you aside from indefinite total lock-down.
- CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
  Herd immunity. If enough people get vaccinated R0 gets under 1, and the spread stops by itself also protecting those who cannot get the vaccine or are unlucky that the vaccine does not work for them. They are protected by the herd.

danparsonson 5y ago

As far as I know, I haven't had COVID, but other people having it has certainly ruined my year and everyone else's regardless. There's a lot more at stake than just your personal health.

miked85 5y ago
Agreed, but what do you propose? We will never have 100% of people get the vaccine due to either personal choice or medical conditions.
- danparsonson 5y ago
  >> But their choices affect me >If you and your family get vaccinated, how do their choices affect you? I was simply answering this.
- bart_spoon 5y ago
  Right now, there is no cost to not being vaccinated, but it does cause damage to society. Its an economic externality. So we should do same thing we do with any other externalities such as pollution: you legislate to bring cost in line with the damage being imposed on others. I don't think this should mean jail time, but anything from being barred from public spaces like schools or government jobs, to tax penalties, should be on the table in my opinion. I'm all for freedom of choice, but I'm against freeloading. No one should have to take the vaccine if they don't want to, but they shouldn't be able to participate in all the benefits of society while refusing to do their part in keeping that society functional.
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