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Not sure where you are that fresh grads get compensated with $200k but please, as a fresh grad who spent 6 months job searching and just accepted a software eng

Not sure where you are that fresh grads get compensated with $200k but please, as a fresh grad who spent 6 months job searching and just accepted a software engineering job for $50k, let me know.

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ptmcc 5y ago
That'd be about expected TC at any FAANG or FAANG-adjacent company, once your RSUs start vesting. Obviously that's top of the market, but it exists.
mettamage 5y ago
Seconding this. Open for any faang referral as well.
- mkoryak 5y ago
  It is difficult to write a strong referral for someone you do not know.
  - mettamage 5y ago
    Bachelor + master 2 years of software engineering experience 2 years of teaching experience Education: Bachelor information science Bachelor psychology Master game studies Research master computer science (and tons of failed studies, extracurricular courses, student boards and jobs) Notable fun achievements: Graduated from first bachelor within 2 years. Published my homework as a paper to a conference and it got accepted (with a lot of help from my teacher, this was no solo effort). Hobbies: Music (I think about it obsessively since I was 4, not great in making it though, I do beatbox okay-ish) Mindfulness (not meditating, simply applying it) Reading Hacker News (this is a legit hobby :P) Hanging out with friends and talking about all kinds of things I used to be the kind of person to want to know everything about the world and that's also how I studied. I gave up on that recently though. --- Now you know me a bit better, albeit on paper, it's something ;-)
    - mkoryak 5y ago
      There are questions in a form that I'd fill out like: how well I know this person, how well I know their work, etc. For you, I would need to answer "don't know" for all of these. Having a strong github would go a long way in making it possible to answer one of those with with something other than don't know. Basically you need something more tangible than a resume for a stranger to go out on a limb for you.
dreyfan 5y ago
https://www.levels.fyi/2020/ https://www.levels.fyi/2020/ -- Many of these firms are fully remote since the pandemic and the extremely high cost of living no longer applies.
missedthecue 5y ago
It's refreshing to see someone pushing back on this narrative a little. FAANG employ a cumulative total of about 100,000 software engineers globally (can't find US-specific numbers). There are 4.4 million software engineers in the USA. I'm sure the graduate -> $200k move happens, but it's only an extremely small number in terms of the occupation as a whole. People on this forum seem to casually mention it as if it's some kind of default.
- comp_throw7 5y ago
  Google, Amazon, and Apple together almost certainly hit 100k by themselves. Facebook is a bit smaller than those 3 in terms of engineering headcount but not by much. Netflix is tiny, relatively speaking, I'll give you that. But, I mean, new grads at MSFT can get pretty close to 200k, even though the comp scales up poorly with career progression compared to FAANG. There are a bunch of other companies where you can hit numbers that are in that ballpark, and they also employee a non-trivial number of engineers: Snapchat, Uber, Lyft, Twitter, Square, Stripe, Doordash, Roblox, etc, etc, etc. Sure, add them all up with FAANG and you probably barely touch 200k. But, uh, 200k is roughly 5% of the software engineers in the country (_very_ broadly classified; I think a more reasonable classification would put it closer to 10%). So, sure, it's not the _default_ outcome, but "top decile" is hardly shooting for the moon.
  - saagarjha 5y ago
    > Google, Amazon, and Apple together almost certainly hit 100k by themselves. No way. Amazon might be coming close (I don't have a very good idea of their size, but my guess is they have like ~75k software engineers); Google probably has about 50k, Apple has like 10k.
    - pcthrowaway 5y ago
      I think you missed the key word of the parent "together"
    - comp_throw7 5y ago
      Yeah, as the other response said, I meant combined.

Not sure where you are that fresh grads get compensated with $200k but please, as a fresh grad who spent 6 months job searching and just accepted a software engineering job for $50k, let me know.

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ptmcc 5y ago

That'd be about expected TC at any FAANG or FAANG-adjacent company, once your RSUs start vesting. Obviously that's top of the market, but it exists.

mettamage 5y ago

Seconding this. Open for any faang referral as well.

mkoryak 5y ago
It is difficult to write a strong referral for someone you do not know.
- mettamage 5y ago
  Bachelor + master 2 years of software engineering experience 2 years of teaching experience Education: Bachelor information science Bachelor psychology Master game studies Research master computer science (and tons of failed studies, extracurricular courses, student boards and jobs) Notable fun achievements: Graduated from first bachelor within 2 years. Published my homework as a paper to a conference and it got accepted (with a lot of help from my teacher, this was no solo effort). Hobbies: Music (I think about it obsessively since I was 4, not great in making it though, I do beatbox okay-ish) Mindfulness (not meditating, simply applying it) Reading Hacker News (this is a legit hobby :P) Hanging out with friends and talking about all kinds of things I used to be the kind of person to want to know everything about the world and that's also how I studied. I gave up on that recently though. --- Now you know me a bit better, albeit on paper, it's something ;-)
  - mkoryak 5y ago
    There are questions in a form that I'd fill out like: how well I know this person, how well I know their work, etc. For you, I would need to answer "don't know" for all of these. Having a strong github would go a long way in making it possible to answer one of those with with something other than don't know. Basically you need something more tangible than a resume for a stranger to go out on a limb for you.

dreyfan 5y ago

https://www.levels.fyi/2020/ https://www.levels.fyi/2020/ -- Many of these firms are fully remote since the pandemic and the extremely high cost of living no longer applies.

missedthecue 5y ago

It's refreshing to see someone pushing back on this narrative a little. FAANG employ a cumulative total of about 100,000 software engineers globally (can't find US-specific numbers). There are 4.4 million software engineers in the USA. I'm sure the graduate -> $200k move happens, but it's only an extremely small number in terms of the occupation as a whole. People on this forum seem to casually mention it as if it's some kind of default.

comp_throw7 5y ago
Google, Amazon, and Apple together almost certainly hit 100k by themselves. Facebook is a bit smaller than those 3 in terms of engineering headcount but not by much. Netflix is tiny, relatively speaking, I'll give you that. But, I mean, new grads at MSFT can get pretty close to 200k, even though the comp scales up poorly with career progression compared to FAANG. There are a bunch of other companies where you can hit numbers that are in that ballpark, and they also employee a non-trivial number of engineers: Snapchat, Uber, Lyft, Twitter, Square, Stripe, Doordash, Roblox, etc, etc, etc. Sure, add them all up with FAANG and you probably barely touch 200k. But, uh, 200k is roughly 5% of the software engineers in the country (_very_ broadly classified; I think a more reasonable classification would put it closer to 10%). So, sure, it's not the _default_ outcome, but "top decile" is hardly shooting for the moon.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  > Google, Amazon, and Apple together almost certainly hit 100k by themselves. No way. Amazon might be coming close (I don't have a very good idea of their size, but my guess is they have like ~75k software engineers); Google probably has about 50k, Apple has like 10k.
  - pcthrowaway 5y ago
    I think you missed the key word of the parent "together"
  - comp_throw7 5y ago
    Yeah, as the other response said, I meant combined.