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I think people are naturally going to be biased against Tesla because of all the misleading marketing. Even if the experience on its own is good, it's tainted b

I think people are naturally going to be biased against Tesla because of all the misleading marketing. Even if the experience on its own is good, it's tainted by the way they (mainly Elon, but not exclusively) chose to sell it. Also Tesla's go against pretty much everything that most car enthusiasts want. Personally that's why I'm biased against them, I hate having to use a touch screen to open the glove box, I hate having to press a capacitive button to switch on the turn signals, and I hate the attempt to take away the driving experience and control from the driver. Of course for the average person, a lot of those things are pros not cons.

epistasis 5y ago
Agreed. I have a Model 3, love it, it's more fun than the BMW m235i that I got several years ago because of the insane "fun" reviews, and the Model 3 lets me put infant car seats in the back, has longer range than the m235i, the model 3 is good for bringing up the entire family to ski at Tahoe, and hasn't needed serious electrical repairs like the BMW. Nonetheless, I hate Tesla for it's ridiculous marketing. I knew that the "Full self driving" was a lie, I hate all that there middle aged white dudes that seems to worship this car back when I first got it becuase I just want to drive a car not have awkward fawning conversations, and I hate that people believe all of Musk's other obvious BS about cars in tunnels, etc. But, this car is nice, I have to admit that.
minhazm 5y ago
Do you actually hate those things? Or do you just hate the idea of it and think you won’t like it? Unless you’ve opened a Tesla, or rented one for an extended period like a week or two, I’m not sure how you could decide you “hate” something. A lot of people think they will hate things that Tesla has done because it’s just so different from what they’re used to. But most have never actually experienced it before they form their opinions.
- GhostVII 5y ago
  I don't think I have to drive a Tesla to conclude I hate those things, because my experience with pretty much every other product I've used has consistently re-enforced how much I hate them. There is no circumstance in which I would prefer to have to use a touch screen to change my window wiper speed, or seat heater. And I still miss my old manual transmission civic because shifting gears is fun, and because it wouldn't try to cut power in the snow, or keep me in my lane when I am intentionally moving out of it. I don't even use cruise control or lane keep assist, I want to be the one driving. Pretty well every time I interact with a device that tries to replace some physical controls with a touch screen, or automation or something I think it is a worse experience. Except for Phillips Hue, that is pretty awesome. Although I still have full control.
  - gibolt 5y ago
    Still enjoying your Blackberry? Everything you mentioned is an analogy, not direct experience, and generally uninformed.
darknavi 5y ago
> Of course for the average person, a lot of those things are pros not cons. That's a really good point. I often see people on /r/cars shit on Tesla for a bunch of reasons why I love mine. I assume that happens with other cars, but Teslas are a pretty different in a lot of was so it makes sense that it doesn't jive with some people.
asddubs 5y ago
not a car person and I also haven't used a touchscreen based car yet, but yeah I think the lack of haptic controls at least in my mind would make it a lot harder to operate the radio, AC, etc. safely without having to take your eyes off the road. I don't get the appeal of the touchscreen beyond looking fancy.
- epistasis 5y ago
  I thought this would be a problem, but that has not been my experience so far. I'm far more annoyed with other screens I've used in rental cars that still had physical buttons. If you have to glance at the screen to understand the current state in order to know which button to press, there's little advantage to the physical buttons.

epistasis 5y ago

Agreed. I have a Model 3, love it, it's more fun than the BMW m235i that I got several years ago because of the insane "fun" reviews, and the Model 3 lets me put infant car seats in the back, has longer range than the m235i, the model 3 is good for bringing up the entire family to ski at Tahoe, and hasn't needed serious electrical repairs like the BMW. Nonetheless, I hate Tesla for it's ridiculous marketing. I knew that the "Full self driving" was a lie, I hate all that there middle aged white dudes that seems to worship this car back when I first got it becuase I just want to drive a car not have awkward fawning conversations, and I hate that people believe all of Musk's other obvious BS about cars in tunnels, etc. But, this car is nice, I have to admit that.

minhazm 5y ago

Do you actually hate those things? Or do you just hate the idea of it and think you won’t like it? Unless you’ve opened a Tesla, or rented one for an extended period like a week or two, I’m not sure how you could decide you “hate” something. A lot of people think they will hate things that Tesla has done because it’s just so different from what they’re used to. But most have never actually experienced it before they form their opinions.

GhostVII 5y ago
I don't think I have to drive a Tesla to conclude I hate those things, because my experience with pretty much every other product I've used has consistently re-enforced how much I hate them. There is no circumstance in which I would prefer to have to use a touch screen to change my window wiper speed, or seat heater. And I still miss my old manual transmission civic because shifting gears is fun, and because it wouldn't try to cut power in the snow, or keep me in my lane when I am intentionally moving out of it. I don't even use cruise control or lane keep assist, I want to be the one driving. Pretty well every time I interact with a device that tries to replace some physical controls with a touch screen, or automation or something I think it is a worse experience. Except for Phillips Hue, that is pretty awesome. Although I still have full control.
- gibolt 5y ago
  Still enjoying your Blackberry? Everything you mentioned is an analogy, not direct experience, and generally uninformed.

darknavi 5y ago

> Of course for the average person, a lot of those things are pros not cons. That's a really good point. I often see people on /r/cars shit on Tesla for a bunch of reasons why I love mine. I assume that happens with other cars, but Teslas are a pretty different in a lot of was so it makes sense that it doesn't jive with some people.

asddubs 5y ago

not a car person and I also haven't used a touchscreen based car yet, but yeah I think the lack of haptic controls at least in my mind would make it a lot harder to operate the radio, AC, etc. safely without having to take your eyes off the road. I don't get the appeal of the touchscreen beyond looking fancy.

epistasis 5y ago
I thought this would be a problem, but that has not been my experience so far. I'm far more annoyed with other screens I've used in rental cars that still had physical buttons. If you have to glance at the screen to understand the current state in order to know which button to press, there's little advantage to the physical buttons.