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The first sentence in your article that you linked states that in one year in the US alone, 560 civilians burned to death in fires. Wrangling statistics to try

The first sentence in your article that you linked states that in one year in the US alone, 560 civilians burned to death in fires. Wrangling statistics to try and suit your argument is one thing, but that's more than one person a day that's burning to death in a car.

jonathankoren 5y ago
Wrangling statistics!?!? 102 people die A DAY in automobile accidents, and you’re claiming that less than the number of people that die in a single week is common? I’ll do the math for you. Fire is involved in ONE PERCENT of all vehicle accident deaths. And then you use the word “civilian”? What do you even mean by that? How is that word even applicable here? This would be cute, if it wasn’t so obviously motivated. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else. Elon isn’t taking you on his B-Ark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  > An estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths It's what it says in the article you linked. I'm not sure why they specified 'civilian deaths'. I never said it was common, I said burning to death in a car isn't uncommon. I'm no EV proponent, by the way. You seem to be pretty fired up about it though - pardon the pun. Edit: Added that I'm also not sure why civilian deaths is specifically mentioned.
  - lazyasciiart 5y ago
    There is a footnote from the phrase "civilian deaths" saying it is excluding firefighters.
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      Ah yep, that would make sense then
    - dTal 5y ago
      Still a strange wording. Firefighters are civilians.
  - jonathankoren 5y ago
    >> And burning alive because they couldn't escape the car. No big deal. >This isn't uncommon in motor vehicle accidents, however. Don’t gaslight me. You’re playing up vehicle fires to downplay the fact that lithium ion batteries burn easily and are hard to extinguish, and Teslas in particular are harder to exit when the power is out. The saddest thing about this whole thing is that you’re carrying water for a charlatan.
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      > The saddest thing about this whole thing is that you’re carrying water for a charlatan. Why do you think this?
michaelmrose 5y ago
Nearly as many die annually in bathtubs. As it stands the average person could drive about 400k years before dying in a fire. It's not playing games with statistics to point out the effects of large numbers.

jonathankoren 5y ago

Wrangling statistics!?!? 102 people die A DAY in automobile accidents, and you’re claiming that less than the number of people that die in a single week is common? I’ll do the math for you. Fire is involved in ONE PERCENT of all vehicle accident deaths. And then you use the word “civilian”? What do you even mean by that? How is that word even applicable here? This would be cute, if it wasn’t so obviously motivated. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else. Elon isn’t taking you on his B-Ark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

King-Aaron 5y ago
> An estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths It's what it says in the article you linked. I'm not sure why they specified 'civilian deaths'. I never said it was common, I said burning to death in a car isn't uncommon. I'm no EV proponent, by the way. You seem to be pretty fired up about it though - pardon the pun. Edit: Added that I'm also not sure why civilian deaths is specifically mentioned.
- lazyasciiart 5y ago
  There is a footnote from the phrase "civilian deaths" saying it is excluding firefighters.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    Ah yep, that would make sense then
  - dTal 5y ago
    Still a strange wording. Firefighters are civilians.
- jonathankoren 5y ago
  >> And burning alive because they couldn't escape the car. No big deal. >This isn't uncommon in motor vehicle accidents, however. Don’t gaslight me. You’re playing up vehicle fires to downplay the fact that lithium ion batteries burn easily and are hard to extinguish, and Teslas in particular are harder to exit when the power is out. The saddest thing about this whole thing is that you’re carrying water for a charlatan.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    > The saddest thing about this whole thing is that you’re carrying water for a charlatan. Why do you think this?

michaelmrose 5y ago

Nearly as many die annually in bathtubs. As it stands the average person could drive about 400k years before dying in a fire. It's not playing games with statistics to point out the effects of large numbers.