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It's awful that newspapers have started injecting opinions like that into stories. For instance, when there's a protest, they'll sometimes point out that the pr

It's awful that newspapers have started injecting opinions like that into stories. For instance, when there's a protest, they'll sometimes point out that the protestors' claims are wrong. It used to be that they just quoted what they were saying at left it to the reader to judge but now they do this patronizing lecturing. "Hey reader, it's important that you know who's the goodies and who's the baddies. Trust us to tell you because we're journalists, the fountain of truth and rightness.".

mannykannot 5y ago
If an entity makes a claim that is demonstrably false, pointing that out is not an injection of opinion, it is part of the news.
- exporectomy 5y ago
  It's actually extremely rare for journalists to state facts as simply being true. They're almost always presented as being a quote from some expert or authority or whatever. Even obvious things like after a car accident "The car was seen upside down" not "The car flipped over" because they don't really know for sure how it got that way or even if it was some optical illusion. That's honest reporting. They're not trying to push any agenda about how cars end up appearing to be upside down so they don't have to beat us over the head with it.
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    This appears to be a rather different issue than the one you started with - are you you now objecting to journalists being careful not to inject anything that might be construed as their personal opinion? There are obvious reasons why journalists would do that. With regard to your example here, it does not fit your original situation of a claim being being corrected - and it is a remarkably small issue to ge worked up about. As far as I can tell, nothing in your latest post has anything to do with the claim in the post you are nominally replying to.
    - exporectomy 5y ago
      I'm not objecting. Just pointing out that they typically don't insert unqualified facts or opinions. I think that's good. But with political issues, they now do sometimes.

mannykannot 5y ago

If an entity makes a claim that is demonstrably false, pointing that out is not an injection of opinion, it is part of the news.

exporectomy 5y ago
It's actually extremely rare for journalists to state facts as simply being true. They're almost always presented as being a quote from some expert or authority or whatever. Even obvious things like after a car accident "The car was seen upside down" not "The car flipped over" because they don't really know for sure how it got that way or even if it was some optical illusion. That's honest reporting. They're not trying to push any agenda about how cars end up appearing to be upside down so they don't have to beat us over the head with it.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  This appears to be a rather different issue than the one you started with - are you you now objecting to journalists being careful not to inject anything that might be construed as their personal opinion? There are obvious reasons why journalists would do that. With regard to your example here, it does not fit your original situation of a claim being being corrected - and it is a remarkably small issue to ge worked up about. As far as I can tell, nothing in your latest post has anything to do with the claim in the post you are nominally replying to.
  - exporectomy 5y ago
    I'm not objecting. Just pointing out that they typically don't insert unqualified facts or opinions. I think that's good. But with political issues, they now do sometimes.