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My wife's truck has a lane guidance system. It will gladly keep you in a well marked lane. When there are no lines or bad lines it makes a loud ding and shows a

My wife's truck has a lane guidance system. It will gladly keep you in a well marked lane. When there are no lines or bad lines it makes a loud ding and shows a big orange cancelation message on the dash display. This is a current year F150. I can only imagine Tesla has at least as good a system as Ford. As for updates, the infotainment system has a record of the last check-in and the last update, as well as the current systems version, similar to your phone or computer. With the number of Tesla hackers out there, it seems nearly impossible for the conspiracy you're suggesting to be a reality.

ballenf 5y ago
On the other hand wouldn’t Tesla be irresponsible if it didn’t manually review sections of road involved in a crash and perhaps override the settings if automated systems had made bad calls? Can you imagine a second wreck on that same stretch of road and the accusations against Tesla for not doing the manual review envisioned above? Have Tesla said definitively that they cannot override capabilities without updating the version number?
- nexuist 5y ago
  I think manual review might actually be the worst way to solve this problem, because you're relying on human labor to fix every single hiccup, which ruins the point of an automated system anyways. I think for sure they run the route through a bunch of simulations to tune the ML mode, but I seriously doubt they would go as low-level as using telemetry to disable certain features by hand. The best solution would be updating the model so that it makes the right calls on the right type of road - so that when it encounters a similar road, you don't need to wait for another fatal accident before kicking the review process into gear and making the necessary changes again. tl;dr it doesn't scale and would be a logistical nightmare to maintain individual configurations for every road the system struggles on
  - tuwtuwtuwtuw 5y ago
    Of course it would not solve the issue in a generic way. To me, the reasonable fix would be to immediately disable the feature in the specific area manually and then retrain the model or whatever it is they do.
Thorrez 5y ago
>it seems nearly impossible for the conspiracy you're suggesting to be a reality. What conspiracy? majormunky is saying Tesla might push out updates every so often, and that might effect whether autopilot can be used, and the investigators might not have realized that.
- igetspam 5y ago
  > Whose to say that Tesla didn't update something between the crash and when the NTSB tested autopilot in that area? I don't think they did do that, but are there any safeguards in place to detect that happening? That one. To do so for a very specific location with no visible lane markers (implied by the article) to disable the lane guidance system seems very much like a stretch. "I don't think they would, but are there safeguards" implies the author of the comment is describing intent. I don't think it's a stretch to say that's a statement of conspiracy.
  - Thorrez 5y ago
    I guess you're right. But the same basic thing could happen without a conspiracy.

ballenf 5y ago

On the other hand wouldn’t Tesla be irresponsible if it didn’t manually review sections of road involved in a crash and perhaps override the settings if automated systems had made bad calls? Can you imagine a second wreck on that same stretch of road and the accusations against Tesla for not doing the manual review envisioned above? Have Tesla said definitively that they cannot override capabilities without updating the version number?

nexuist 5y ago
I think manual review might actually be the worst way to solve this problem, because you're relying on human labor to fix every single hiccup, which ruins the point of an automated system anyways. I think for sure they run the route through a bunch of simulations to tune the ML mode, but I seriously doubt they would go as low-level as using telemetry to disable certain features by hand. The best solution would be updating the model so that it makes the right calls on the right type of road - so that when it encounters a similar road, you don't need to wait for another fatal accident before kicking the review process into gear and making the necessary changes again. tl;dr it doesn't scale and would be a logistical nightmare to maintain individual configurations for every road the system struggles on
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 5y ago
  Of course it would not solve the issue in a generic way. To me, the reasonable fix would be to immediately disable the feature in the specific area manually and then retrain the model or whatever it is they do.

Thorrez 5y ago

>it seems nearly impossible for the conspiracy you're suggesting to be a reality. What conspiracy? majormunky is saying Tesla might push out updates every so often, and that might effect whether autopilot can be used, and the investigators might not have realized that.

igetspam 5y ago
> Whose to say that Tesla didn't update something between the crash and when the NTSB tested autopilot in that area? I don't think they did do that, but are there any safeguards in place to detect that happening? That one. To do so for a very specific location with no visible lane markers (implied by the article) to disable the lane guidance system seems very much like a stretch. "I don't think they would, but are there safeguards" implies the author of the comment is describing intent. I don't think it's a stretch to say that's a statement of conspiracy.
- Thorrez 5y ago
  I guess you're right. But the same basic thing could happen without a conspiracy.