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Yeah exactly my point lol. So the 5-10-15 year impact of both is unknown. Thus it’s a mute point of consideration for a logical person.

joshu 5y ago
moot, not mute
abfan1127 5y ago
Getting the virus and entering the risk pool for long term affects has a probability below 100%. Maybe you never get the virus. Choosing to get the vaccine gives you 100% chance of getting in the risk pool for its side affects. The third category is you already had the virus without long term issues, but getting the vaccine introduces new risks (allergies is the obvious easy one). I don't know the compounded statistics here and I don't claim to know the "right choice" for everyone, including myself. In general, I never get the latest update in software. I never get the first model years in cars. Without a case of urgency, this seems like a good path forward for this too, but YMMV.
- xwolfi 5y ago
  But why would you expect long side effect of an immunity triggering vaccine?
  - abfan1127 5y ago
    I don't personally have any expectations. I strongly suspect that there are not any long term affects. I am not familiar with mRNA tech in general, nor am I familiar with the various vaccine vectors. I do have a vivid imagination though. None of this is real - just "science fiction". 1) the mRNA triggers latent gene expression which causes some form of cancer. 2) the mRNA causes some new slow protein generation which accumulates in the blood like cholesterol and has long term health affects. is this possible? probably as possible as buying a winning lottery ticket and being struck by lightning at the exact same time!
- cameldrv 5y ago
  The P.1 variant is extremely contagious, with an unmitigated R somewhere in the range of 6-12. That's close to Measles. Unless a very large percentage of the population gets vaccinated, it's essentially inevitable for the unvaccinated to be infected at some point, as well as a small portion of the vaccinated population. Your choices are either get vaccinated, get COVID (and possibly transmit it), or take extreme precautions indefinitely. Unless you have reason to believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID, and you're not willing to live your life as a shut-in or wear a respirator for the rest of your life, you might as well get vaccinated.
- randomopining 5y ago
  “Maybe not getting the virus” is mostly because your fellow citizens got vaccinated. If everybody followed your logic, everybody would’ve had covid by now. Of course we know that there are some healthy under 40’s that died from covid. If they got the vaccine, would they have died? How many have died directly from the vaccine? Answer those last two and you will see.

joshu 5y ago

moot, not mute

abfan1127 5y ago

Getting the virus and entering the risk pool for long term affects has a probability below 100%. Maybe you never get the virus. Choosing to get the vaccine gives you 100% chance of getting in the risk pool for its side affects. The third category is you already had the virus without long term issues, but getting the vaccine introduces new risks (allergies is the obvious easy one). I don't know the compounded statistics here and I don't claim to know the "right choice" for everyone, including myself. In general, I never get the latest update in software. I never get the first model years in cars. Without a case of urgency, this seems like a good path forward for this too, but YMMV.

xwolfi 5y ago
But why would you expect long side effect of an immunity triggering vaccine?
- abfan1127 5y ago
  I don't personally have any expectations. I strongly suspect that there are not any long term affects. I am not familiar with mRNA tech in general, nor am I familiar with the various vaccine vectors. I do have a vivid imagination though. None of this is real - just "science fiction". 1) the mRNA triggers latent gene expression which causes some form of cancer. 2) the mRNA causes some new slow protein generation which accumulates in the blood like cholesterol and has long term health affects. is this possible? probably as possible as buying a winning lottery ticket and being struck by lightning at the exact same time!
cameldrv 5y ago
The P.1 variant is extremely contagious, with an unmitigated R somewhere in the range of 6-12. That's close to Measles. Unless a very large percentage of the population gets vaccinated, it's essentially inevitable for the unvaccinated to be infected at some point, as well as a small portion of the vaccinated population. Your choices are either get vaccinated, get COVID (and possibly transmit it), or take extreme precautions indefinitely. Unless you have reason to believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID, and you're not willing to live your life as a shut-in or wear a respirator for the rest of your life, you might as well get vaccinated.
randomopining 5y ago
“Maybe not getting the virus” is mostly because your fellow citizens got vaccinated. If everybody followed your logic, everybody would’ve had covid by now. Of course we know that there are some healthy under 40’s that died from covid. If they got the vaccine, would they have died? How many have died directly from the vaccine? Answer those last two and you will see.