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Is that really true? Levels.fyi shows Apple right about inline with GOOG, FB and AMZN and significantly higher than MSFT for mid to senior levels.

kenhwang 5y ago
Supposedly its harder getting equivalent levels at AAPL.
jedberg 5y ago
Everyone I know who moved from another FAANG took a pay cut (and everyone who left Apple to another FAANG got a fat raise). So my data is anecdotal but consistent. Also MSFT isn't part of FAANG.
- mtrpcic 5y ago
  > Until 2017, FANG was limited to Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, and Alphabet. Another variant of this acronym is "FANGAM," which includes Microsoft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech#FAANG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech#FAANG I think Microsoft is up there and competitive in the same landscape, and calling out their lack of inclusion in the original acronym is just pedantic. Everything discussed in this thread applies just as much to MSFT as it does to any of the other FAANG companies.
  - Kranar 5y ago
    It's not pedantic, MSFT does not pay as much as other FAANG companies. MSFT isn't by any means a bad company to work for, but it's not in the same league. F: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-En... A: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Amazon/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Amazon/salaries/Software-Engi... A: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Apple/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Apple/salaries/Software-Engin... N: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Netflix/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Netflix/salaries/Software-Eng... G: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi... M: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Microsoft/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Microsoft/salaries/Software-E...
    - oblio 5y ago
      https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Microsoft,Netflix,Amazon,Google&track=Software%20Engineer https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Microsoft,Netflix,A... Easier to use.
  - johnnyanmac 5y ago
    pedantic, tangential rant: I still don't understand why people include Netflix in that calibur. From what I heard and researched, Netflix doesn't hire junior talent and their scope of work is a fraction of Microsoft/Apple/Google. If competitive pay is the only distinction here, I'm sure we can expand that acronym to include a dozen more tech companies
- novok 5y ago
  Basically google and FB pay the best, and then msft, amazon and apple are second tier as far as compensation goes. Twitter, square, uber, netflix, linked-in, pinterest, dropbox, airbnb, etc are all middle-big sized and are fairly variable comp wise.
  - FartyMcFarter 5y ago
    I thought Netflix paid more than Google / FB (from online hearsay).
    - blaser-waffle 5y ago
      My understanding is that the 'Flix pays straight cash -- big ole sacks of money twice a month. The other orgs pay in things like bonuses or RSUs. Total comp may be as good or higher, but those aren't locked in a specific rate the way a direct deposit to your bank account is; e.g. you could get less bonus, or the stock price could drop, etc.

kenhwang 5y ago

Supposedly its harder getting equivalent levels at AAPL.

jedberg 5y ago

Everyone I know who moved from another FAANG took a pay cut (and everyone who left Apple to another FAANG got a fat raise). So my data is anecdotal but consistent. Also MSFT isn't part of FAANG.

mtrpcic 5y ago
> Until 2017, FANG was limited to Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, and Alphabet. Another variant of this acronym is "FANGAM," which includes Microsoft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech#FAANG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech#FAANG I think Microsoft is up there and competitive in the same landscape, and calling out their lack of inclusion in the original acronym is just pedantic. Everything discussed in this thread applies just as much to MSFT as it does to any of the other FAANG companies.
- Kranar 5y ago
  It's not pedantic, MSFT does not pay as much as other FAANG companies. MSFT isn't by any means a bad company to work for, but it's not in the same league. F: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-En... A: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Amazon/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Amazon/salaries/Software-Engi... A: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Apple/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Apple/salaries/Software-Engin... N: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Netflix/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Netflix/salaries/Software-Eng... G: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi... M: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Microsoft/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Microsoft/salaries/Software-E...
  - oblio 5y ago
    https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Microsoft,Netflix,Amazon,Google&track=Software%20Engineer https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Microsoft,Netflix,A... Easier to use.
- johnnyanmac 5y ago
  pedantic, tangential rant: I still don't understand why people include Netflix in that calibur. From what I heard and researched, Netflix doesn't hire junior talent and their scope of work is a fraction of Microsoft/Apple/Google. If competitive pay is the only distinction here, I'm sure we can expand that acronym to include a dozen more tech companies
novok 5y ago
Basically google and FB pay the best, and then msft, amazon and apple are second tier as far as compensation goes. Twitter, square, uber, netflix, linked-in, pinterest, dropbox, airbnb, etc are all middle-big sized and are fairly variable comp wise.
- FartyMcFarter 5y ago
  I thought Netflix paid more than Google / FB (from online hearsay).
  - blaser-waffle 5y ago
    My understanding is that the 'Flix pays straight cash -- big ole sacks of money twice a month. The other orgs pay in things like bonuses or RSUs. Total comp may be as good or higher, but those aren't locked in a specific rate the way a direct deposit to your bank account is; e.g. you could get less bonus, or the stock price could drop, etc.