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> is so appealing to me. So what is so appealing? Isn't it shows that people are so indifferent and ignorant that they couldn't even spot a Nobel prize winner

> is so appealing to me. So what is so appealing? Isn't it shows that people are so indifferent and ignorant that they couldn't even spot a Nobel prize winner just because they did not care enough to ask? What if his success or life would be dependent on their recognition? He would probably die unnoticed ... It's very sad story I would say. Reading this actually should convince even the most modest person in the world to promote himself like hell ... Actually I think I also should promote myself from now on because people would simply not notice any of my talents and thus many opportunities to do great things can be lost. I think it was a great mistake every time I was modest about own talents and abilities.

DubiousPusher 5y ago
Uh I think this depends on the context. In your work you must absolutely self promote. You have to bluntly tell your boss the work you accomplished especially if it's work that's getting attention. But that's because this is a big part of work. We're trying to give more responsibility to people who are achieving things in the work place. It's relevant. But bringing those things up at a BBQ or while golfing just seems like an attempt to agrandize yourself. Those are supposed to be egalitarian social situations. Your work accomplishments have little value there. Unless you want to live in the god awful world of that HBO show "Succession".
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  >We're trying to give more responsibility to people who are achieving things in the work place. It depends on the context as you say of course but what I've seen is that people who where screaming more were giving more responsibility instead of people who were actually achieving something.
kaesar14 5y ago
Do you go around asking people if they've won a Nobel Prize? Really, what's appealing here is living modestly in a time before it was so easy to find out who someone was by typing their name into a search bar. Bardeen did his work out of a genuine drive for scientific discovery, not the pursuit of wealth or fame. That's what that anecdote shows me and what appeals to me about him. I'm sure Bardeen was not sweating about his "legacy" after winning a Nobel Prize, lol.
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  >Do you go around asking people if they've won a Nobel Prize? When some person came to me to take an argentinian tango lesson I've managed somehow to find out that he has been working on a eu collider project. So actually I think I do. When I meet a person I am curious to ask a person about his interests and I watch his body movements to understand his way of looking at the world. You can tell that to some degree by how people move you see. >Really, what's appealing here is living modestly in a time before it was so easy to find out who someone was by typing their name into a search bar. So what is so good about it? Some people can't find out about this and some opportunities has been lost. What is the benefit of it? I do not like when people promote themselves for the sake of it without anything valuable to offer but when it's not the case what good this 'modesty' can do? Letting win to those who do not deserve it? what is particulary good about it? Now I tend to think about it as being irresponsible in a way. >Bardeen did his work out of a genuine drive for scientific discovery, not the pursuit of wealth or fame. That's what that anecdote shows me and what appeals to me about him. Since when 'wealth or fame' considered to be something negative? If a person offers something valueable and worthy I see no reason for such person to be in a shadow and poor without enough money. What would be good about it except perhaps to please some 'socialists/communists' and I've seen what those guys "can" "build" in the ussr so I do not want them to thrive.

DubiousPusher 5y ago

Uh I think this depends on the context. In your work you must absolutely self promote. You have to bluntly tell your boss the work you accomplished especially if it's work that's getting attention. But that's because this is a big part of work. We're trying to give more responsibility to people who are achieving things in the work place. It's relevant. But bringing those things up at a BBQ or while golfing just seems like an attempt to agrandize yourself. Those are supposed to be egalitarian social situations. Your work accomplishments have little value there. Unless you want to live in the god awful world of that HBO show "Succession".

lovelyviking 5y ago
>We're trying to give more responsibility to people who are achieving things in the work place. It depends on the context as you say of course but what I've seen is that people who where screaming more were giving more responsibility instead of people who were actually achieving something.

kaesar14 5y ago

Do you go around asking people if they've won a Nobel Prize? Really, what's appealing here is living modestly in a time before it was so easy to find out who someone was by typing their name into a search bar. Bardeen did his work out of a genuine drive for scientific discovery, not the pursuit of wealth or fame. That's what that anecdote shows me and what appeals to me about him. I'm sure Bardeen was not sweating about his "legacy" after winning a Nobel Prize, lol.

lovelyviking 5y ago
>Do you go around asking people if they've won a Nobel Prize? When some person came to me to take an argentinian tango lesson I've managed somehow to find out that he has been working on a eu collider project. So actually I think I do. When I meet a person I am curious to ask a person about his interests and I watch his body movements to understand his way of looking at the world. You can tell that to some degree by how people move you see. >Really, what's appealing here is living modestly in a time before it was so easy to find out who someone was by typing their name into a search bar. So what is so good about it? Some people can't find out about this and some opportunities has been lost. What is the benefit of it? I do not like when people promote themselves for the sake of it without anything valuable to offer but when it's not the case what good this 'modesty' can do? Letting win to those who do not deserve it? what is particulary good about it? Now I tend to think about it as being irresponsible in a way. >Bardeen did his work out of a genuine drive for scientific discovery, not the pursuit of wealth or fame. That's what that anecdote shows me and what appeals to me about him. Since when 'wealth or fame' considered to be something negative? If a person offers something valueable and worthy I see no reason for such person to be in a shadow and poor without enough money. What would be good about it except perhaps to please some 'socialists/communists' and I've seen what those guys "can" "build" in the ussr so I do not want them to thrive.