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I have question about your other post which I found interesting >https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-tech-loses-out/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-te

I have question about your other post which I found interesting >https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-tech-loses-out/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-tech-loses-out/ You wrote >We barely develop any software here anymore. So even very European companies like like Nokia and Ericsson, that are now trying to tell us that they are building our European telecommunication infrastructure. They’re actually not, they’re getting that built by other people in other countries far away. Anything having to do with server and PC development and manufacturing, there’s nothing left of that in Europe anymore. As far as I've been told, then there are R&Ds in e.g Cracow, Poland or Wroclaw (probably nor R&D) that actively recruit or even train people What are they doing then?

guerrilla 6y ago
Yeah, Ericsson employs about 13,000 people in Sweden and I personally know they develop a lot of telco software.
- squarefoot 6y ago
  My latest news (~2 yrs ago though) from friends working at Ericsson is that beside hardware they also started outsourcing software to far east entities. I don't have details, but over here they sack about 300 people every year, mostly developers. It might be different in Sweden though.
  - BenjiWiebe 6y ago
    How many do they hire per year? 400?
    - Jolter 6y ago
      Ericsson has hired several thousand engineers per year in the past couple of years, globally. You can see the history of their Wikipedia page for the nitty-gritty...
    - squarefoot 6y ago
      No idea, and Covid may have changed things, however pretty much every year he feared to be included in the list of people that had to go either directly or through a fake spin off, a common trick used by many corporations to lay off workers.
  - Jolter 6y ago
    If by Far East you mean China, I’m not aware of any outsourcing there at all. Ericsson has big R&D centers there but I believe they are all in-house operations, owned and controlled directly by Ericsson. Now, India on the other hand...
Jolter 6y ago
Ericsson is very multinational. The core of its management is in Sweden, a lot of systems management and architecture are indeed controlled from there. There are development units in dozens of countries across all continents, albeit with a emphasis on Europe, the US and China. A lot of subcontractors from/in India are involved in product development, too, but mostly for systems operations and maintenance of “sunsetting” products. All told, I am not aware of a single Ericsson product that is “led” from China or India, but I could certainly be wrong.

guerrilla 6y ago

Yeah, Ericsson employs about 13,000 people in Sweden and I personally know they develop a lot of telco software.

squarefoot 6y ago
My latest news (~2 yrs ago though) from friends working at Ericsson is that beside hardware they also started outsourcing software to far east entities. I don't have details, but over here they sack about 300 people every year, mostly developers. It might be different in Sweden though.
- BenjiWiebe 6y ago
  How many do they hire per year? 400?
  - Jolter 6y ago
    Ericsson has hired several thousand engineers per year in the past couple of years, globally. You can see the history of their Wikipedia page for the nitty-gritty...
  - squarefoot 6y ago
    No idea, and Covid may have changed things, however pretty much every year he feared to be included in the list of people that had to go either directly or through a fake spin off, a common trick used by many corporations to lay off workers.
- Jolter 6y ago
  If by Far East you mean China, I’m not aware of any outsourcing there at all. Ericsson has big R&D centers there but I believe they are all in-house operations, owned and controlled directly by Ericsson. Now, India on the other hand...

Jolter 6y ago

Ericsson is very multinational. The core of its management is in Sweden, a lot of systems management and architecture are indeed controlled from there. There are development units in dozens of countries across all continents, albeit with a emphasis on Europe, the US and China. A lot of subcontractors from/in India are involved in product development, too, but mostly for systems operations and maintenance of “sunsetting” products. All told, I am not aware of a single Ericsson product that is “led” from China or India, but I could certainly be wrong.