3 ms·

> Presumably they would reshuffle things in order to fund Firefox's development, too. What makes you presume this? > If at some point those donations outpaced

> Presumably they would reshuffle things in order to fund Firefox's development, too. What makes you presume this? > If at some point those donations outpaced Google, or the stability of Google's funding comes into question for some reason, then I'd like to show there are other funding models available The problem with this is timeline. If the donations naturaly outpaced Google's funding that'd be great, but it seems unlikely. On the other hand, if the stability of Google's funding came into question, how long would it take to ramp up alternative income sources? This isn't something that could be done overnight: it needs to be called out and contingencies considered early (now). > I also like their non-Firefox work I also like some of their non-Firefox work, but none of it is unique/essential. If Mozilla stopped all their other work tomorrow, and only developed Firefox, there would still be good alternatives out their to their other works (e.g. Lockbox->Bitwarden, MozVPN->Mullvad). Good alternatives to Firefox are much rarer, and most truly open alternatives are incredibly small niche projects like Dillo or Otter Browser that aren't really very mainstream-usage-ready.

coldpie 5y ago
> The problem with this is timeline. If the donations naturaly outpaced Google's funding that'd be great, but it seems unlikely. On the other hand, if the stability of Google's funding came into question, how long would it take to ramp up alternative income sources? This isn't something that could be done overnight: it needs to be called out and contingencies considered early (now). I don't disagree, but I also don't think this discussion is related to whether or not folks should be donating to Mozilla right now. My giving them a donation doesn't restrict them exploring other funding options, which they do seem to be doing, with Pocket and their VPN services and the like. > Good alternatives to Firefox are much rarer Right. So my thinking is: suppose Google funding dries up some day. From there we have two possible universes: Mozilla looks at their incomes and sees 80% of the missing funding is coming from donations. Or they see 10% is coming from donations. In the first case, they could scale down their non-core features and continue Firefox development on that donations revenue. In the second case, they would have to find some alternative income stream, which is difficult and full of uncertainty, or shut down and Firefox dies. Personally I favor the first universe, where Firefox is funded through voluntary donations. So I donate to make the first universe more likely. And there's no downside to me donating now, since it's totally cool with me if they use my money to fund their non-Firefox work in the meantime.

coldpie 5y ago

> The problem with this is timeline. If the donations naturaly outpaced Google's funding that'd be great, but it seems unlikely. On the other hand, if the stability of Google's funding came into question, how long would it take to ramp up alternative income sources? This isn't something that could be done overnight: it needs to be called out and contingencies considered early (now). I don't disagree, but I also don't think this discussion is related to whether or not folks should be donating to Mozilla right now. My giving them a donation doesn't restrict them exploring other funding options, which they do seem to be doing, with Pocket and their VPN services and the like. > Good alternatives to Firefox are much rarer Right. So my thinking is: suppose Google funding dries up some day. From there we have two possible universes: Mozilla looks at their incomes and sees 80% of the missing funding is coming from donations. Or they see 10% is coming from donations. In the first case, they could scale down their non-core features and continue Firefox development on that donations revenue. In the second case, they would have to find some alternative income stream, which is difficult and full of uncertainty, or shut down and Firefox dies. Personally I favor the first universe, where Firefox is funded through voluntary donations. So I donate to make the first universe more likely. And there's no downside to me donating now, since it's totally cool with me if they use my money to fund their non-Firefox work in the meantime.