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Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. And who says it's just to inconvenience them? There will other things happening becaus

Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. And who says it's just to inconvenience them? There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner.

vkou 5y ago
> Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? > There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner. While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that.
- that_guy_iain 5y ago
  > By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? By lots of countreies. The US charged 4 chinese military officers for hacking Equifax. > While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that. You seem to think that it would require multiple things to fall into place to benefit a foreign country. Say you want to manipulate the price of the fuel. Increasing the costs of transport would do that.
  - vkou 5y ago
    Hacking Equifax[1] makes sense, because it directly useful for intelligence work. Find people of interest who have credit problems, and lean on them. [2] This isn't even a blip on the radar of global fuel prices. It is completely lost in the noise. [3] [1] Or the OPM, since it was kind enough to have lists of 'all spies operating abroad' on its intranet. Whoops. [2] I mean, you could also just pose as a landlord or employer, and ask for credit checks on them, it costs ~$30 per query, but it is what it is. [3] If the FSB really wants to increase demand for fuel, they should try stalling a junker or two on an interstate bridge... Imagine the fuel wasted from all the cars idling, or taking detours!
    - that_guy_iain 5y ago
      I'm just pointing out countries have been hacking each other for ages and specifically infrastructure. Which was originally stated as absurd because there is no benefit to them, which considering you don't know all the basic effects this attack is having. And who said they wanted to raise global fuel prices? End of the story is intelligence agencies around the world have been bulking up for cyber warfare for at least a decade. Russia and China have been been fingered repeatedly for cyber attacks. It is not completely outlandish that one of them is behind it for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure the entire point of these agencies is that we don't know what do or why they do them.

vkou 5y ago

> Russia and China have been suspected of doing things like this for years. By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? > There will other things happening because of this and this could impact other nations in a postive manner. While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that.

that_guy_iain 5y ago
> By who? People who never provide evidence for their claims? By lots of countreies. The US charged 4 chinese military officers for hacking Equifax. > While it's certainly possible that the FSB is playing 59-dimensional chess, here, hoping for a true butterfly-effect sequence of causality, I think the onus is on you to demonstrate that. You seem to think that it would require multiple things to fall into place to benefit a foreign country. Say you want to manipulate the price of the fuel. Increasing the costs of transport would do that.
- vkou 5y ago
  Hacking Equifax[1] makes sense, because it directly useful for intelligence work. Find people of interest who have credit problems, and lean on them. [2] This isn't even a blip on the radar of global fuel prices. It is completely lost in the noise. [3] [1] Or the OPM, since it was kind enough to have lists of 'all spies operating abroad' on its intranet. Whoops. [2] I mean, you could also just pose as a landlord or employer, and ask for credit checks on them, it costs ~$30 per query, but it is what it is. [3] If the FSB really wants to increase demand for fuel, they should try stalling a junker or two on an interstate bridge... Imagine the fuel wasted from all the cars idling, or taking detours!
  - that_guy_iain 5y ago
    I'm just pointing out countries have been hacking each other for ages and specifically infrastructure. Which was originally stated as absurd because there is no benefit to them, which considering you don't know all the basic effects this attack is having. And who said they wanted to raise global fuel prices? End of the story is intelligence agencies around the world have been bulking up for cyber warfare for at least a decade. Russia and China have been been fingered repeatedly for cyber attacks. It is not completely outlandish that one of them is behind it for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure the entire point of these agencies is that we don't know what do or why they do them.